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Ryan Leaf says Caleb Williams needs work, should sit for a year

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14 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

No Cam gets hate because of his appearance. Guy wears crazy hats and clothes so people hate on him for that reason. Cam is a cocky guy so that rubs some people the wrong way.

 

Ok I stand corrected, it has nothing to do with his delivery. Thank you for letting me know.

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9 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

I'm still trying to get a grasp on how scouting reports are saying Travis is undersized at 6'1" 212 when Caleb Williams is the same height and listed at 215, and we just went through this whole Bryce thing with the media generally not making a big deal out of it. 

Yeah Travis isn’t undersized. 6’2” was the sweet spot at one time but the average has definitely dropped since then. I’m all for taking Travis with one of our 5ths. At worst he would be a solid backup that can also hurt you with his legs. Potentially he could become a starter. His arm got better this year and he was definitely the leader of that team. 

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17 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

No Cam gets hate because of his appearance. Guy wears crazy hats and clothes so people hate on him for that reason. Cam is a cocky guy so that rubs some people the wrong way.

 

It still blows my mind that any Panthers fan would have any hate for Cam. He carried our franchise to relevancy for a while and almost always gave it his 110%. I could care less how the man dresses now. 

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2 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

Actually, he's a really good analyst. And I think that a lot of what gives his words weight is the terrible journey he had as an NFL QB and the wreckage after it. You either come through something like that either wiser or dead. 

The guy earned his right to say what could be wrong in the NFL for a player.

He went from a top of the world type situation to the kind of junkie you find sawing off catalytic converters for drug money, and then all the way back to a professional career in sports media.  He'll tell you himself that he had every physical trait and measurable you could ever want, but he was an arrogant asshole with a massive ego and that's what destroyed him.

Yeah biggest bust in NFL history and so on, and he might be wrong about Caleb Williams, but I don't think his opinion is worth dismissing out of hand.

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1 hour ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

No Cam gets hate because of his appearance. Guy wears crazy hats and clothes so people hate on him for that reason. Cam is a cocky guy so that rubs some people the wrong way.

 

Cam Newton came into the league looking like a clean cut GQ model ROY to MVP…..

hate was just as strong then as it was when he went into his signature fashion hair/looks. 

 

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7 hours ago, LegioX said:

Caleb Williams comes off as a prick who you just want to b*tch slap. Don’t get me started on his father. That family has not one ounce of humility and only cares about me, me, me, me, me. You really think vets in the NFL gonna follow a dude like that? 

The audacity of him to say he wants partial ownership in the franchise that drafts him is what really annoys me.   You are an unproven rookie with a big mouth.  He'll run himself right out of the city that drafts him.  

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3 hours ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

He went from a top of the world type situation to the kind of junkie you find sawing off catalytic converters for drug money, and then all the way back to a professional career in sports media.  He'll tell you himself that he had every physical trait and measurable you could ever want, but he was an arrogant asshole with a massive ego and that's what destroyed him.

Yeah biggest bust in NFL history and so on, and he might be wrong about Caleb Williams, but I don't think his opinion is worth dismissing out of hand.

Yeah, I respect it and I'm glad he's righted himself.

No doubt a lot of athletes with potential get derailed simply because they're too immature to deal with adulation and when it comes to the pros, the money and the pressure. In other fields where you're going to work into your senior years you can fug off as a youngster and still have time to get your poo together and overcome it. Not in athletics. That biological clock is ticking LOUDLY. You're still going to be relatively young in life when you're washed up as an athlete.

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4 hours ago, Martin said:

The Athletic did a breakdown of Mayes and Daniels and the conclusion was that it is not even close, Daniels is way behind Mayes. Daniels is a great runner, but not as developed as a passer as they had thought. They did a comparison to Lamar due to similar playing style in College, and said the same thing, he is significantly behind where Lamar was as a passer, despite being older. I can’t find the article again as it was a while back, but it was really interesting.

Not to mention he had Nabors and Thomas as receiver’s combining for nearly 3K yards. Both are forecasted as top 20 picks. 

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