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Training Camp Day 8

Ricky Spanish

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26 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I mean damn you had @Mr Mojo Risin on here just yesterday saying preseason didnt

matter

 

spoiler alert:  It does.  A lot

It matters more for teams with new coaches and schemes like us, less for teams with established offenses and QBs like the Chiefs or Bengals.

I was one of the "Wait and see" people as far as the preseason went, and was willing to give the team to the midpoint as long as there was improvement, but the offense looked just as poo in week 10 as it did in preseason week 1.

11 minutes ago, Icege said:

If missing TMo + DLew hurts this bad, then we might not have the depth we were hoping for at OL going into the season.

It was one thing to keep hearing about Clowney eating everybody's lunch, but now we're hearing that Chaisson and Johnson are getting after it. As much as I want to get excited for the pass rushers doing better than expected, I'm not ready to go through another season with the OL being as bad as it was last year.

I am pretty sure that Yosh Nijman has been out and he was supposed to be our swing tackle depth.

Having said that, said that, OL Depth was always going to be an issue just based on how completely terrible they were last season.

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Just now, Ricky Spanish said:

It matters more for teams with new coaches and schemes like us, less for teams with established offenses and QBs like the Chiefs or Bengals.

I was one of the "Wait and see" people as far as the preseason went, and was willing to give the team to the midpoint as long as there was improvement, but the offense looked just as poo in week 10 as it did in preseason week 1.

I am pretty sure that Yosh Nijman has been out and he was supposed to be our swing tackle depth.

Having said that, said that, OL Depth was always going to be an issue just based on how completely terrible they were last season.

OL depth has been mismanaged for almost a decade now.

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42 minutes ago, Icege said:

 

 

 

Either practice is uneventful today or it's starting to look a lot like last year. Hopefully the former.

The content creators could also be trying for some low-hanging outrage engagement. There's a lot more little quips than reporting on the action today.

The pressure/time is a point some if us have been looking at for deep passes. Is it bad OL that prevents deep opportunities (yes you need a little time to throw these), a confidence issue for Bryce, a play calling issue, or a lack of deep threat WRs issue? Maybe it was a combination of all the above. Regardless the past couple of practices there have been deep shots so hopefully DC is trying to address this. 

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Where has BC been practicing today?  Is he solely focusing on center?  I would imagine he would be a fallback option at guard since he was a solid starter there.  Or is he going to be the swing lineman?

We need to cut Zalava, Mays, and the other trash OL once cut downs begin.  I'd rather have back-ups that have had decent game experience and results than not up to par 2nd/3rd year players

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