Here is the main problem

[Basbear]

 

You have 4 years of control, CHEAP control. 

I think the best overall player on this list is Hubbard, horn just misses too many games and he doesnt look like the rookie seat belt guy anymore.  

That 2022 class is woof, icky is playing better but not enough to carry the whole class. 

2024 is looking like 2025 results, but XL is better than I thought at this early stage.

Im still pissed about rhule using that 6th for a long safty that was out of league before he got the plane ticket to the queen.

 

Morgan needs to fire the lot and open teppers purse to hire real scouts that can find more than 1 player out of 7 picks.  

 

The scouting department is the cause for bad panther football.  

Edited September 30, 2024 by Basbear

[Tbe]

A lot of it is drafting players that fit systems run by coaches that are no longer here.

But yeah, the crack scouts that brought us BY also drafting these guys.

[Basbear]

2 minutes ago, Tbe said:

A lot of it is drafting players that fit systems run by coaches that are no longer here.

But yeah, the crack scouts that brought us BY also drafting these guys.

I member RR trying his 3-4 hybrid in the last year and member phil snow with his 3-3-5 college mess. 

One of my draft gurus has always said good players can play in any system. Mmaybe what 3-5 of them are "good" out of 30 picks?? That a 10% hit rate, i bet some teams have a better UDFA hits over the same period. 

Get rid of these bum-ass scouts, period. 

[strato]

43 minutes ago, Tbe said:

A lot of it is drafting players that fit systems run by coaches that are no longer here.

But yeah, the crack scouts that brought us BY also drafting these guys.

The former, huge factor. No continuity.

The latter, I don't believe they were the reason for Bryce Young, all the other draftees, yeah. Big hand in that. But the last couple of drafts looked like coaches influenced some things. Getting their guys. Evero wanted DJ last year, for example. Canales wanted XL I think. Stuff like that is mixed in. 

[SOJA]

Bad drafting will eventually run any team (see Patriots Brady dynasty)

Bad drafting + trading away future assets every single year for another new QB + the bryce trade would absolutely tank any team to oblivion

It's a miracle we are competitive 

[Pejorative Miscreant]

1 hour ago, Tbe said:

A lot of it is drafting players that fit systems run by coaches that are no longer here.

But yeah, the crack scouts that brought us BY also drafting these guys.

I agree with and pie the sentiment but I thought Tepper was the reason behind drafting BY. 
 

[CarolinaRideorDie]

We have drafted well in the past and drafted stars. Ex, CMC, Burns, DJ Moore. We just traded them all away for nothing. When we do have talent, we never keep them too. Horn needs to be extended even with his injury history. We just can't keep letting talent go away for nothing at this point. 

[CBDellinger]

Fitts and Rhule were awful drafters. 

[Bear Hands]

People are pointing to the different coaching and GMs but we’ve kept the majority of our regional scouts and personnel directors throughout this time. Their reports are what get into the GM’s hands come mid-December.

Crazy we have kept rolling through these guys with multiple regime changes.

[jb2288]

As awful as we’ve been, we have a pretty close trajectory to what the 49ers did. Really bad ownership, bad coaches, bad players and QBs… hired the right young offensive coach, found the QB on the roster after trading the farm for a bust… we can be competitive in 2025 and a legit playoff team 2026 if Canales is the guy and DM continues to build the roster, he did a great job flipping the OL and WR in just one offseason. Do DL and LB this off season 

[thennek]

2 hours ago, Basbear said:

I member RR trying his 3-4 hybrid in the last year and member phil snow with his 3-3-5 college mess. 

One of my draft gurus has always said good players can play in any system. Mmaybe what 3-5 of them are "good" out of 30 picks?? That a 10% hit rate, i bet some teams have a better UDFA hits over the same period. 

Get rid of these bum-ass scouts, period. 

Rivera went to a 3-4 his last year because our beloved owner “suggested” it would be best….as the story goes. 

[Basbear]

1 hour ago, SOJA said:

Bad drafting will eventually run any team (see Patriots Brady dynasty)

Bad drafting + trading away future assets every single year for another new QB + the bryce trade would absolutely tank any team to oblivion

It's a miracle we are competitive 

plus add in the sam darnold trade- 2nd 6th and future 5th.

I mean panthers would have missed anyway.......but still like you say its makes things much harder to not only miss on picks but miss on big trades too. 

it is the main reason for losing. 

[Tr3ach]

1 hour ago, CarolinaRideorDie said:

We have drafted well in the past and drafted stars. Ex, CMC, Burns, DJ Moore. We just traded them all away for nothing. When we do have talent, we never keep them too. Horn needs to be extended even with his injury history. We just can't keep letting talent go away for nothing at this point. 

Burns isn't a star and the rest were quite a few drafts ago..

[Basbear]

18 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

People are pointing to the different coaching and GMs but we’ve kept the majority of our regional scouts and personnel directors throughout this time. Their reports are what get into the GM’s hands come mid-December.

Crazy we have kept rolling through these guys with multiple regime changes.

 

you got IT!! This scouting department has been missing on players for the last 5 years plus and STILL HAVE JOBS!!??!!!?? morgan has to know eachs awful history of player elvaues, get rid of the main problem and fire the constant mistakers. Its the first and ONLY step to fixing this team.