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With the first pick, don't draft a QB? Draft a DE? C'mon!

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6 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Drafting a qb in the top 5 and then immediately starting him sounds pretty moronic 

You don't have to immediately start him, that depends on the QB, and that should be obvious to anyone who doesn't have a closed mind. It wasn't moronic to start Jayden Daniels, C.J. Stroud, or Cam Newton.  There are more examples. Everyone is not Anthony Richardson, Malik Willis, or Geno Smith.

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6 hours ago, RJK said:

Honestly this franchise isn’t in a position to develop a QB properly. Signing a vet and getting the roster up to snuff is the best way to go about it imo. Relying on a rookie QB to come in and single handedly turn the franchise around isn’t practical plus there’s no burrows or daniels in this draft anyway 

If you go back and look at the 2001 and 2002 drafts that’s exactly what we did. In 2003 that’s when we made our Super Bowl run with Jake.

I’ve gone back several times in the last week or so looking at those drafts and seeing what we did and how it can correlate with what we’re going through right now. They definitely signed savvy veterans and drafted defensive rookies to help that 2003 team along.

Dan Morgan was a part of that and hopefully he can remember that and do something about it.

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9 minutes ago, TD alt said:

You don't have to immediately start him, that depends on the QB, and that should be obvious to anyone who doesn't have a closed mind. It wasn't moronic to start Jayden Daniels, C.J. Stroud, or Cam Newton.  There are more examples. Everyone is not Anthony Richardson, Malik Willis, or Geno Smith.

But more often than not you’re most likely going to hit on an ANTHONY Richardson, Malik Willis or Geno Smith more than getting lucky with a CJ Stroud, Jaydon Daniels or Cam Newton.

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6 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Drafting a qb in the top 5 and then immediately starting him sounds pretty moronic 

Texans and Commanders made it work. You need a good OL (which we have) and some weapons. We need to keep developing XL, Coker, JT, and Brooks to have some weapons. I wouldn’t mind reuniting DC with Godwin if the price is right ( yeah I know he is coming off an injury) It’s Moton’s last year so use it to help get a young QB comfortable. All of this is assuming there is one we like a lot. 

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13 minutes ago, TD alt said:

You don't have to immediately start him, that depends on the QB, and that should be obvious to anyone who doesn't have a closed mind. It wasn't moronic to start Jayden Daniels, C.J. Stroud, or Cam Newton.  There are more examples. Everyone is not Anthony Richardson, Malik Willis, or Geno Smith.

Honestly AR looking better his first start than he did his last. Not sure if his regression is film being out or the injuries taking their toll…

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2 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

I think they should trade out of #1 if possible to stay in top 5 and get a 2nd in 2024. Just need to add talent. Doesn't matter the position. No reaching. No projects. No workout warriors that didn't produce. 

If someone calls with a ridiculous offer I would listen but otherwise I'm not looking to trade down. Take the best available and call it a night. 

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8 hours ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

It needs to be BPA. Generational at any position. I don't care if it's LT- Icky can move his big ass over.

 

Based on this logic, that would be Jeanty/RB/Boise State or Deone Walker/DT/Kentucky. Only if we trade down though. I don’t see a potential franchise QB in the ‘25 draft.

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8 hours ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

This is how we ended up with Bryce and the Steelers ended up with Pickett.

I don’t think you read your own words. We ended up with Bryce and the Steelers ended up with Pickett because they were poor QB drafts.  Back to Back drafts at that. You can’t assume to build your roster for your QB and then manage to have a high pick in a good QB draft. 22 and 23 were poo. If you think Ward or Sanders  has it then you pull the trigger.

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