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With the first pick, don't draft a QB? Draft a DE? C'mon!

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2 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Don't get suckered into highlight videos with wide open WRs.  Young was hitting open targets at Bama too. I think I saw one tight window throw for a TD and that was inside the 10 yard line...so short.

Ward is hands down the best QB in this class.  That said, he's not close to a generational QB.

When did the last generational QB win a ring Peyton Manning? But I don’t really want to take a QB high this year 

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13 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

You don't follow the draft do you?  For every Daniels and Stroud there are 10 busts. Hell, you don't have to look no further than our team.  This is NOT a good QB class.  I'm BPA, unless it's a QB.  Free agency is he way to go and wait until '26 when the QB class will be much better.

 

Who in 26 are you liking. Nico isn’t living up to expectations so far, Manning can’t beat out Ewers… I’m sure they will look better in another year but we would need the top pick again to land one and we should never trade up again.

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Just now, CPF4LIFE said:

Every year..... next years class is supposed to be much better until that year actually gets here. Remember the stroud/bryce class was supposed to be that much better class. 

Except I've been right on this.  Personally, I wanted to skip that class for this '24 class. I even said 6 QBs would be taken in the first round and nobody believed me.  A good QB crop hits every other draft or two. It's not an every year proposal.  The QB position is to tough to play to churn out great classes year after year, like say, CB.  Heck, remember the Kenny Pickett draft?  Yeah...so it's even possible to have a draft where ZERO QBs are deserving to be drafted in the first round.  We all know Pickett would not have been taken by the Steelers at #19 if he wasn't the hometown hero.

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8 minutes ago, Aussie Tank said:

You’d want to get the most out of him and that would be playing him both ways. And the best way to do that is mainly CB and rotate him in at WR but I’d much rather trade down 

I wouldn’t play him on both modes much at all. You could easily do the reverse though. Line him up in the secondary on obvious passing downs. It’s just asking for an injury though. Let him score TDs and play a premium position. 

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6 hours ago, R0CKnR0LLA said:

I'd say trade down but my confidence in Dan Morgan to negotiate a good deal is worse than zero.

Exactly why I don’t want this team trading down. We have become notorious for wheeling and dealing in the draft, mainly trading down. We have seen nothing come from that, and have missed out on good players. 
 

Take the dime; we have too many nickels and Penny’s on this team 

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1 minute ago, ForJimmy said:

Who in 26 are you liking. Nico isn’t living up to expectations so far, Manning can’t beat out Ewers… I’m sure they will look better in another year but we would need the top pick again to land one and we should never trade up again.

I really like Nico. Yeah, he's fallen off of late after a pretty hot start.  Manning can beat out Ewers.  Ewers is a RSR and "senior" to Manning and Arch isn't forcing the issue.  Arch could easily have transferred and started just about anywhere, but he chose to wait knowing Ewers is gone after this year.  There's several other juniors that will likely come back too that are promising, but aren't quite there yet.

Right now I rank the QBs: Ward, Ewers and Sanders.  I wouldn't even entertain the idea of taking another QB in the first round.  That said, all 3 have their issues, Ward being the most complete.  I view him as mid-tier QB in the pros.  The other two are boom or bust prospects in the pros.  Well, not so much boom as middling or bust.

 

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15 minutes ago, Aussie Tank said:

When did the last generational QB win a ring Peyton Manning? But I don’t really want to take a QB high this year 

It's been a while if you are talking #1 overall.  The reason for that is teams picking #1 are generally VERY BAD.  Take this team for instance.  They have to spend the majority of the poor guys rookie contract to build the rest of the team around him.  By that time, the guy is wrecked mentally, injured or both.

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3 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

I really like Nico. Yeah, he's fallen off of late after a pretty hot start.  Manning can beat out Ewers.  Ewers is a RSR and "senior" to Manning and Arch isn't forcing the issue.  Arch could easily have transferred and started just about anywhere, but he chose to wait knowing Ewers is gone after this year.  There's several other juniors that will likely come back too that are promising, but aren't quite there yet.

Right now I rank the QBs: Ward, Ewers and Sanders.  I wouldn't even entertain the idea of taking another QB in the first round.  That said, all 3 have their issues, Ward being the most complete.  I view him as mid-tier QB in the pros.  The other two are boom or bust prospects in the pros.  Well, not so much boom as middling or bust.

 

What if a player like Allar declares (I don’t think he will). 
Yeah I like how Ward gets better every year and went from a small school QB to one of the top QBs in D1. You know he has to have crazy work ethic. If he is a mid-tier starter in the NFL you can definitely build around him. Goff for example is a mid guy but the Lions have built him a squad and he looks great now. Ward has also carried that Miami team to several wins with is promising. 

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1 minute ago, ForJimmy said:

What if a player like Allar declares (I don’t think he will). 
Yeah I like how Ward gets better every year and went from a small school QB to one of the top QBs in D1. You know he has to have crazy work ethic. If he is a mid-tier starter in the NFL you can definitely build around him. Goff for example is a mid guy but the Lions have built him a squad and he looks great now. Ward has also carried that Miami team to several wins with is promising. 

From the little I have watched allar, he reminds me of the old school nfl big strong pocket passer.  From the full half from last saturday I really liked what I saw.  Certainly not top 5 pick but def lower into the draft he would be worthy.  He feels like  a dude canales would like, big strong and throws downfield with velocity and accuracy

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      @ForJimmy--I watched his '24 highlights and there's a lot to like.  He's mobile, for certain, but it seems that's his default because he's so good at it.  Lots of RPO stuff.  He's slippery in the pocket, but too quick to vacate it.  I saw very few pocket throws into tight windows, which is the hallmark of an elite QB, especially at the next level.  Green is a playmaker, there's no denying that.  I thought his arm was adequate to above average.  I assumed a big QB like that would have a cannon.  Ball placement was also above average. He's an intriguing prospect, but I'm not sure he's going to end up a top 10 prospect and that's where we are most certainly going to be picking.  If Sellers doesn't come out, he's probably the next best dual threat QB.
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      I was right there with you. I hoped for the best and tried to support once he was drafted. But the media created legend of Bryce Young the draft prospect was honestly like nothing I've ever seen. For a kid who didn't even play all that particularly great for Alabama (Mac Jones was the better college QB and it really wasn't close) he received an insane level of benefit of the doubt. From his supposed elite football IQ elite processing elite preparation elite field general abilities elite leadership yada yada the guy could do absolutely no wrong. Even when he showed up to the combine and hid out in a hoodie refusing to throw nobody batted an eye. And even after that he was still compared to current and past hall of famers in the NFL and other sports across the spectrum. If he didn't play for Saban and Alabama it would have been and would be right now completely different in the way he was and is perceived. But again. I've never seen anything like it for other prospects that I can think of in recent memory. Others have been dissected in some way or another. Maybe the only other comparison I would make would be Andrew Luck. But Luck had the necessary physical intangibles that Bryce Young very plainly lacked when you sit down and watch the tape. It was crazy then and it is still crazy now. 🤷‍♂️
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      Yeah I didn’t remember how many guys were on offense besides him that were taken but did figure he was facing one, maybe two guys that would be drafted from whatever defense it he was playing. Then the out of conference games against smaller schools that are basically exhibitions, sheesh, you know they can feast.    The other thing is, out of those 62, how many really had NFL bodies at that point? Few of them. Most will be different players after a year of NFL training and body development. So you have to think about what the difference is. Even with the SEC guys that got taken, they will be better in the pros too. So when you factor all that in, and look at the Bryce tape and the Bryce pro day and whatever, I just will never understand why.
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