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Bryce Young - Good and Bad, what say you?

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Ricky Prickles Grand Master

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He was vastly improved today and we need to see more of Bryce the rest of the season to continue evaluate him in order to decide what the heck to do with him at the end of the season. He must play at least like this and improve more from here the rest of the season in order for me to keep him. No more 123 yard passing games and want to see at least this output weekly from him. If this is Bruce improving slowly over time then Canales is even better with developing QB's than I thought he was but still too early to tell and we need to see him the rest of the way as he has at very least earned back the starting gig moving forward.

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8 hours ago, Navy_football said:

Oh no disrespect here either. Just a discussion on opinions. You are 100% entitled to yours as am I. He definitely doesn't have the physical tools that you look for, but that doesn't mean he can't be special. An outlier. He's been that his whole football life. I'm holding out hope that he can develop into that guy at the NFL level. He's done it at every other level on his way. And he's finally starting to show what everyone thought he'd be. The past 4 games have shown steady improvement. With him and the rest of the team. Even the defense.

With a night to sleep on it I'm now firmly of the opinion that we keep letting Bryce improve the rest of the season and enter next years camp with 2 new additions to the QB room. One being a new veteran and the other being another rookie QB we can bring along slowly. If Bryce's ceiling is game manager so be it. In that instance it will be majorly beneficial to the team as a whole to have another QB waiting in the wings and use the other as trade bait. But we've got to be smart about this and think ahead. I cannot stress enough that we cannot again sit on our hands with the most important position. Meanwhile we've also been continuing to build up the rest of the roster in the meantime. Then maybe we will be ready to compete for the division and a playoff spot. That is the best path forward for this franchise given where we are and the mistakes we've made that should serve as a learning tool of what not to do.

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To be honest, I just liked that he looked like he wanted to be out there playing football again.

The first two weeks he seemed as if he didn't want to be on the field. Yesterday however, he was smiling and looked focused. When he ran for a first down and landed flat on his face, he sprung up smiling. 

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4 hours ago, frankw said:

With a night to sleep on it I'm now firmly of the opinion that we keep letting Bryce improve the rest of the season and enter next years camp with 2 new additions to the QB room. One being a new veteran and the other being another rookie QB we can bring along slowly. If Bryce's ceiling is game manager so be it. In that instance it will be majorly beneficial to the team as a whole to have another QB waiting in the wings and use the other as trade bait. But we've got to be smart about this and think ahead. I cannot stress enough that we cannot again sit on our hands with the most important position. Meanwhile we've also been continuing to build up the rest of the roster in the meantime. Then maybe we will be ready to compete for the division and a playoff spot. That is the best path forward for this franchise given where we are and the mistakes we've made that should serve as a learning tool of what not to do.

Even when Billy B had Brady, he was constantly bringing in and developing a number 2 QB. You have to. Even if you trade away the 2 and do it again, you should always be developing a backup QB. You never know when a knee is going to get folded or a shoulder take a bad hit. It's one of the things I was most pissed about this off season. Regardless of whether or not Bryce was "the guy", we didn't try and improve our QB room. 

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4 hours ago, Krovvy said:

To be honest, I just liked that he looked like he wanted to be out there playing football again.

The first two weeks he seemed as if he didn't want to be on the field. Yesterday however, he was smiling and looked focused. When he ran for a first down and landed flat on his face, he sprung up smiling. 

He was plain fuging scared, I am sure of it. Then Andy showed him as clear as day that the job includes standing in, stepping into your throw and taking that hit if that's what you need to do. 

Being on the pine and seeing your career circling the drain ... finally Bryce understood that that was the job and if he wanted the job he had to face that poo and lose his fear. He did. I got respect for him now that I did not have prior to that. 

Doesn't mean he is going to get a ton better though, but going by yesterday he is making good throws and not getting picked, and really only put it up for grabs a couple of times otherwise he protected the ball keeping it away from the DBs. 

He is scary though about coughing up the ball on a tackle or sack. Happens too much. 

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The "I like what I saw yesterday but want to see more" takes are all very reasonable and quite frankly I'm impressed with how balanced the huddle has been after yesterdays game. 

Benching 9 and making him earn it back was a great move by the org.  There are no kings, no anointed ones, just compete for you job on a daily basis and let it rip on Sundays.  lfg.

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19 hours ago, Tbe said:

Compared to last year and the beginning of this year, he is throwing when guys are “nfl open”.

He’s much more willing to push the ball downfield.

He’s more accurate.

Redzone passing needs work.

This game was not the same as the packers game last year. This was a very good defense.

He’ll get another year here. If he keeps improving, he might be worth keeping.

This was very different from Green Bay for multiple reasons:

1. Kansas City has the best defense in the NFL

2. Bryce made multiple throws, from the pocket, while being hit and they were downfield

3. He was actually directing traffic and even though they didn't yield much yesterday, they will eventually

4. He brought us back from being down 20-6 to tie up the game against the Super Bowl favorites at 27-27 with less than 2 minutes to play

5. Dave Canales has finally found his stride as a play caller with literal undrafted FA's at receiver, rookie tight ends, a 2nd year QB, young RB, etc.

 

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5 minutes ago, CBDellinger said:

The "I like what I saw yesterday but want to see more" takes are all very reasonable and quite frankly I'm impressed with how balanced the huddle has been after yesterdays game. 

Benching 9 and making him earn it back was a great move by the org.  There are no kings, no anointed ones, just compete for you job on a daily basis and let it rip on Sundays.  lfg.

I'm of the opinion that he's been showing it the last three weeks. The two weeks prior to KC weren't statistically great but anyone with eyes could see the improvement. 

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