Mid week discussion: via Trevor Lawrence hit.

[CamWhoaaCam]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

You know how I know you're wrong? It's been a decade and it still gets talked about on here often.

Im talking about the refs not calling anything in the game. That game is when I knew the NFL was rigged.

 

It's why I no longer take the NFL seriously. It's more entertainment these days. Go watch the Chiefs and the Swifties take over the sport.

[Panthercougar68]

The Texans argument about the “fake slide” is a valid argument (for the league) but this was a defender launching for the head. This wasn’t an accidental “couldn’t let up” in time hit and he has a history.

You the know the difference between being intentional and accidental contact when you see it.

Edited December 4, 2024 by Panthercougar68

[CRA]

I think a world exist where Trevor gets hit on that play and it not be a dirty hit.  That hit was dirty.   There was intent.  The forearm into the  neck head was a choice given the position Trevor was in.  You could have pulled off to some degree and maybe just end up hitting him somewhere.  Flag and no suspension.  
 

repeat offender.  It’s coached.  Texans coach was a clown. Blaming everyone from Trevor to blaming Jags players sticking up for thier QB after his body locked up stiff after the clear dirty hit 

[tukafan21]

21 minutes ago, Panthercougar68 said:

The Texans argument about the “fake slide” is a valid argument (for the league) but this was a defender launching for the head. This wasn’t an accidental “couldn’t let up” in time hit and he has a history.

You the know the difference between being intentional and accidental contact when you see it.

It's not even as much as the "fake slide" argument as much as just the "late slide" argument in general, particularly with how fast these players move out there.

When you're running full speed and know you're about to take 1 or 2 more steps before you initiate your tackle attempt, it's real hard to pull out of it when the QB slides at the last second.

The game camera angle makes this hit look so egregious, but when you see the end zone angle from behind the defense, I'm much more sympathetic to it as you really see that he was really about to start his tackle when Lawrence decided to slide.  

This one I probably lean towards siding with the league because the defender was a repeat offender, but if I just saw that angle of the hit without that information, I'm not so sure I'd think a suspension was warranted, at least not a 3 game one.

[tukafan21]

3 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

It's not even as much as the "fake slide" argument as much as just the "late slide" argument in general, particularly with how fast these players move out there.

When you're running full speed and know you're about to take 1 or 2 more steps before you initiate your tackle attempt, it's real hard to pull out of it when the QB slides at the last second.

The game camera angle makes this hit look so egregious, but when you see the end zone angle from behind the defense, I'm much more sympathetic to it as you really see that he was really about to start his tackle when Lawrence decided to slide.  

This one I probably lean towards siding with the league because the defender was a repeat offender, but if I just saw that angle of the hit without that information, I'm not so sure I'd think a suspension was warranted, at least not a 3 game one.

You can see with this angle, he’s starting to lower his shoulder just as Lawrence initiated his slide, it’s real hard to not follow through with that hit with the speed these guys move at and not watching the play in slow motion

So again, given his previous late hits, a suspension is probably warranted here, but if that wasn't the case, just getting tossed from the game probably would have been sufficient on this one.

https://x.com/commishjared/status/1863303341201133601?s=46&t=LQU3yEizU6WVOcNoJTNyOw

Edited December 4, 2024 by tukafan21

[Davidson Deac II]

6 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

It's not even as much as the "fake slide" argument as much as just the "late slide" argument in general, particularly with how fast these players move out there.

When you're running full speed and know you're about to take 1 or 2 more steps before you initiate your tackle attempt, it's real hard to pull out of it when the QB slides at the last second.

The game camera angle makes this hit look so egregious, but when you see the end zone angle from behind the defense, I'm much more sympathetic to it as you really see that he was really about to start his tackle when Lawrence decided to slide.  

This one I probably lean towards siding with the league because the defender was a repeat offender, but if I just saw that angle of the hit without that information, I'm not so sure I'd think a suspension was warranted, at least not a 3 game one.

The Houston player dived into Lawrence with his forearm into Lawrence's head and neck.  That is where the fine/suspension came in.  

Edited December 4, 2024 by Davidson Deac II

[Jon Snow]

There's a difference between a hit and a tackle. This was a hit and a dirty one at that.

[pantherclaw]

Seems to me the defender is playing the wrong sport. 

Dumbass.

[Jackson113.2]

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[The Lobo]

Didn’t this same thing happen to cam in 2018 against Atlanta? I can’t remember, did that player get suspended? 

[bigdog_10_2002]

44 minutes ago, The Lobo said:

Didn’t this same thing happen to cam in 2018 against Atlanta? I can’t remember, did that player get suspended? 

Damonte Kazee. Ejected and fined $10,000. No suspension. He wasn’t a repeat offender at that time though. He’s had other hits in his career that he has been suspended for. (A hit last year on Pittman from the colts netted him a three game suspension)

 

[CRA]

2 hours ago, The Lobo said:

Didn’t this same thing happen to cam in 2018 against Atlanta? I can’t remember, did that player get suspended? 

I've seen that hitting the social media rounds.  I don't think the hits are the same and that because of what happens in the final second.  Atlanta defender at the very end rolled to the side.  Which while late and probably never should of happened, eased off at the last second.  Texan defender chose to destroy at the final second. 

[Bearzzz]

The guy is absolutely dirty. He had a similar hit on Caleb Williams on the sideline in week 2. He is an idiot, only putting a spotlight on himself for any questionable hit.

[SmokinwithWilly]

On 12/3/2024 at 5:35 PM, Davidson Deac II said:

The Houston player dived into Lawrence with his forearm into Lawrence's head and neck.  That is where the fine/suspension came in.  

If his arm had been out like he was trying to wrap up, I don't think it would have been a penalty because it was such a bang bang play and both players started moving down at almost the same time. Having that arm in like that changed the entire nature of the "tackle".