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Bryce Haters Inc.


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2 minutes ago, CRA said:

Bryce has played where we realistically could be on a 5 game win streak

and that with basically trash D and a weak supporting cast given their youth.  That’s exactly what we want to see from him

Agreed. Even this past game look at Hurts stats paired with his supporting cast and the defense he played against.  Do the same with Bryce and it’s pretty impressive.  Hopefully he continues to get better. 

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Just now, frankw said:

I think that's entering into a different conversation altogether when using words like "balling" and comparing his output to others. The NFC is comically weak. What counts for franchise QB play now compared to years past is if we're being honest not that impressive. People who haven't been watching football long might see it differently. But a year 2 Cam Newton in this iteration of the league and NFC would likely have this team in playoff contention IMO.

This isn't 2012... Passing offenses just aren't putting up many yards. Cam in 2012, based on y/g, is one of the top 5-10 passing offenses. Cam in 2012 was 16th it so... Compared to other players this year, Bryce IS playing well these last few games. 

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3 minutes ago, CRA said:

Bryce has played where we realistically could be on a 5 game win streak

and that with basically trash D and a weak supporting cast given their youth.  That’s exactly what we want to see from him

7TDs, 7INTs on the season, under 200 yards passing again today.

The bar is so low around here. 

The D is playing way above its talent level, the OLine is fantastic and Hubbard has 1,000 yards already. Everything points back to one thing being a big problem, but apparently I'm now in the minority pointing it out.

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3 minutes ago, OneBadCat said:

Cam was a god amongst men. His physical attributes were able to cheat a lot of things wrong with the roster. Bryce is a different type of player but we have a better coach and smarter FO than Cam ever had and they will design a team around the QB this time. 

Bryce is not tied to Canales though.

Dave should have the opportunity to bring in another QB. We would be fools not to have a solid backup plan this go around. Meanwhile we are still building up the rest of the roster for whomever ends up holding down the position long term.

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5 minutes ago, PadresPanthersFan said:

A rod still sucks with wilson and adams.

Caleb sucks with dj, odunze and Allen. 

Bryce is playing well with x and thielen as his top 2 and x is playing like young is throwing grenades. 

I wonder if there is a stat for yards and tds dropped. Young would probably be leading the league


One or two fewer drops by XL would give Bryce a better stat line against the Eagles than Burrow.

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Just now, OldhamA said:

7TDs, 7INTs on the season, under 200 yards passing again today.

The bar is so low around here. 

The D is playing way above its talent level, the OLine is fantastic and Hubbard has 1,000 yards already. Everything points back to one thing being a big problem, but apparently I'm now in the minority pointing it out.

The biggest problem the last month has been the wide receivers. And Hubbard has 1,000 yards, but he averaged a whopping 3 YPC today and had a game-losing fumble a week ago. Is he balling?

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2 minutes ago, OneBadCat said:

He doesn’t have freak arm talent. But he has freak touch and timing with his throws. He’s also a good scrambler. He’s easily displayed the best ball a QB has shown with a Panthers jersey since Cam. He’s at least as good as Delhomme was. I will stand on business on that. 

All things considered bryce seems to only have touch on his passes, he can't drive the ball in like cam could, could so by default anything he lays up is gonna look beautiful. Also, at one point people were saying the same things about Kyle Allen throws until reality hit. Its a True story. 

 

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Just now, CPF4LIFE said:

All things considered bryce seems to only have touch on his passes, he can't drive the ball in like cam could, could so by default anything he lays up is gonna look beautiful. Also, at one point people were saying the same things about Kyle Allen throws until reality hit. Its a True story. 

 

Kyle Allen has the reverse story though. Looked good for 3 games and then got destroyed when tape was out on him.

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27 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

He's looking much better. I'm still very skeptical that he'll prove to be a high level starter.

The two major improvements are that he's now somehow finding space in the pocket - he's stepped up and scrambled several times where in the past he'd just take a sack - and Canales has basically thrown any play that requires velocity on the ball out of the playbook.

Is it sustainable? Who knows. 

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3 minutes ago, Joe Bear said:

The biggest problem the last month has been the wide receivers. And Hubbard has 1,000 yards, but he averaged a whopping 3 YPC today and had a game-losing fumble a week ago. Is he balling?

Hubbard has played very well this year - nobody is calling him a franchise RB though. 

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