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"Don’t Look Now, but Bryce Young is Closing the Gap on C.J. Stroud"

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Just now, kungfoodude said:

I was a Bryce stan, loved the draft pick. Transitioned over 2023 to a firm believer that he was never going to be an NFL starting caliber QB. Now I am just waiting and seeing.

Glad to have him start to win me back. It's nice to not be a complete laughingstock.

That's one that that people have largely missed. The national media as moved on from us being the NFL laughingstock. That's impressive.

Yeah we are getting respect from the Nat'l media even with these losses. We are competitive for a change and we doing it vs legit playoff teams.

 

Get Bryce a true #1 WR and fix the defense and we should be on the right track especially in this weak division.

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11 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

I think the headline is making people think it says something different than it does... It does say not to judge either player by their rookie year, tho. But it says this:

"None of this means that the Young versus Stroud debate should be completely reborn. Stroud remains the superior player and will likely remain so unless something drastically changes.

However, Young has looked like he has the tools to be a solid quarterback in the NFL over the past six weeks – as long as he continues to improve. And Stroud still possesses the mechanics to become a top player in the NFL – just not in Year 2."

I would say the author should have chosen a better title.

Regardless I still take issue with some of the logic. Particularly with saying don't judge them on their rookie seasons. That's just a little too convenient for me considering the stark contrast between them and the current case being made. I have no idea what Stroud or Young will go on to do for the rest of their respective careers but between the two of them at this point in time Bryce is the one who will have to do everything not only really well but with a little more on top to slam the door shut on those first 18 or so games that were at times historically bad.

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after the short into, first item is this

 

Props that Pop: Don't be shocked by a big day for Panthers vs. Cowboys

QB Props:   Bryce Young OVER 19.5 completed passes (Even)

 

Loza: Young is by no means an efficient passer, but his completion percentage has improved since being reinstalled as the team's starter in Week 8. The second-year signal-caller has additionally managed at least 19 completions for three straight games since the Carolina Panthers' Week 11 bye. In fact, he recorded exactly 19 completions while facing a stout Philadelphia Eagles defense that has allowed the fifth-lowest completion percentage thus far in 2024.

Young's odds of improving on that total are high, given this week's matchup against the Dallas Cowboys. Dallas' secondary got Trevon Diggs back last Monday, but the defense simultaneously lost emerging star linebacker DeMarvion Overshown. The compromised pass rush figures to work in Young's favor.

 

https://www.espn.com/espn/betting/story/_/id/42898520/2024-nfl-season-betting-odds-daniel-dopp-liz-loza-football-props-pop-week-15

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after the short into, first item is this

 

Props that Pop: Don't be shocked by a big day for Panthers vs. Cowboys

QB Props:   Bryce Young OVER 19.5 completed passes (Even)

 

Loza: Young is by no means an efficient passer, but his completion percentage has improved since being reinstalled as the team's starter in Week 8. The second-year signal-caller has additionally managed at least 19 completions for three straight games since the Carolina Panthers' Week 11 bye. In fact, he recorded exactly 19 completions while facing a stout Philadelphia Eagles defense that has allowed the fifth-lowest completion percentage thus far in 2024.

Young's odds of improving on that total are high, given this week's matchup against the Dallas Cowboys. Dallas' secondary got Trevon Diggs back last Monday, but the defense simultaneously lost emerging star linebacker DeMarvion Overshown. The compromised pass rush figures to work in Young's favor.

 

https://www.espn.com/espn/betting/story/_/id/42898520/2024-nfl-season-betting-odds-daniel-dopp-liz-loza-football-props-pop-week-15

 

Bryce Young OVER 14.5 rushing yards (-125)

While Young's success as a passer is all the rage recently, the Carolina Panthers QB has quietly been running the ball more willingly -- and successfully -- and has been over this number in each of his past four contests. Now he gets a Dallas Cowboys team giving up 24.4 rushing yards per game to opposing quarterbacks, second only to the Cincinnati Bengals for the worst number in football (and by 0.1 yards at that). By yards per rush surrendered (5.7), they're fourth worst.

 

Some of those numbers are inflated because of the quarterbacks the Cowboys have faced this season, a list that includes Jalen Hurts, Lamar Jackson, Justin Fields and Jayden Daniels. But Drew Lock, Deshaun Watson, C.J. Stroud and Brock Purdy all cleared this number against Dallas as well, and those are quarterbacks closer to the Young mold -- decently mobile, though not considered elite dual threats.

There's some concern that the Panthers won't need to drop back much against the Cowboys and their dreadful rush defense, but I do think Dallas is playing better against the run as of late. And the Panthers defense is so poor that it's unlikely this game becomes a blowout. (Imagine that! A Panthers blowout!) There should be enough opportunities for Young that he gets the two or three scampers he needs to clear this number.

 

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17 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Yeah we are getting respect from the Nat'l media even with these losses. We are competitive for a change and we doing it vs legit playoff teams.

 

Get Bryce a true #1 WR and fix the defense and we should be on the right track especially in this weak division.

Agreed. I want to win games but I really, really want McMillian or Graham. I think they will solve a lot of issues. Hunter is a pipe dream.

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15 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Yeah we are getting respect from the Nat'l media even with these losses. We are competitive for a change and we doing it vs legit playoff teams.

 

Get Bryce a true #1 WR and fix the defense and we should be on the right track especially in this weak division.

Media doesn't give 2 shits about the Panthers. They only care about clicks and what Bryce is doing right now generates clicks. I guarantee you if he has a bad game or 2 he will disappear back into the media cobwebs. 

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34 minutes ago, frankw said:

I would say the author should have chosen a better title.

Regardless I still take issue with some of the logic. Particularly with saying don't judge them on their rookie seasons. That's just a little too convenient for me considering the stark contrast between them and the current case being made. I have no idea what Stroud or Young will go on to do for the rest of their respective careers but between the two of them at this point in time Bryce is the one who will have to do everything not only really well but with a little more on top to slam the door shut on those first 18 or so games that were at times historically bad.

I think it's all relative and the headline was certainly chosen to garner attention and controversy. Young is closing the gap - because the gap was "elite, top of NFL QB vs complete bust.". Just how journalism goes, for better or worse.

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50 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Actively rooting for a QB to fail. I can see why you're just a college fan. You care nothing about the Panthers.

 

It's okay to be wrong about Bryce. I thought he was done just like you. Then he started playing better and doing it vs the better teams in football. If you can't respect then you never will.

 

Bryce Up Son!

I'm not rooting for him to fail. I'm just far from convinced that he's the answer. Let's see how he plays in some meaningful games first. He's looking a lot better as of late. That's a start. But a couple of good games when we're near the bottom of the league isn't going to make up for a whole lot of playing like trash. 

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I might be in the minority but I'd be happy if both young and stroud succeed.  

Last year it looked like we missed bad when we picked young over stroud. Which hurt. But now they're both showing future promise even tho stroud is stumbling a bit. 

Stroud being bad doesn't make the trade better to me. Young being good does. I would love it if they both become legit nfl qbs forever tied together by the draft and dueling for years to come. 

Hoping stroud sucks and the anger that comes with is not worth it.

Thats the path to the dark side. 

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2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Calm down bro, you'll fall right off the wagon again the next bad game he has. Some of us don't have wild emotional swings because we don't have the mentality of a 13 year old girl.

That doesn't mean you stubbornly refuse to acknowledge that he has been playing much better the last several games.  That's just as bad.

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2 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

With one of the worst rosters in the league?

 

I like that we are competitive vs playoff caliber teams with a limited roster. The only way to get talent is position yourself to get the top pick. We are doing fine by staying competitive and still losing. 

 

The media is respecting us for how well we have been playing even in the losses. 

Agreed.  He's been one of the best players on the team since the benching.   All the people who are determined to be right about him being bad will quote record or stats but if you watch the tape and see the windows he's hitting and how he's anticipating them, they would see while not perfect, he's doing a lot with a little.

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