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"Don’t Look Now, but Bryce Young is Closing the Gap on C.J. Stroud"

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46 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

Stroud had extremely good receivers last year. But he is also extremely good himself.  And the team he was drafted into was not high on talent overall... 

His receivers were certainly talented. But when a passing game thrives like that it's due to a mutual progression. The right QB can make the right WR even better. See Nico Collins numbers before and after Stroud.

Yes the 2023 Texans on paper entering the season were by all accounts by most fans and media talking heads likely headed for another top 10 pick. This revisionist history that Houston was a top destination for a rookie QB is absurdly comical. If need be we can dig up some predraft threads. Hell I distinctly remember some folks here declaring Stroud a bust when he threw an interception in his first preseason game.

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5 minutes ago, frankw said:

His receivers were certainly talented. But when a passing game thrives like that it's due to a mutual progression. The right QB can make the right WR even better. See Nico Collins numbers before and after Stroud.

Yes the 2023 Texans on paper entering the season were by all accounts by most fans and media talking heads likely headed for another top 10 pick. This revisionist history that Houston was a top destination for a rookie QB is absurdly comical. If need be we can dig up some predraft threads. Hell I distinctly remember some folks here declaring Stroud a bust when he threw an interception in his first preseason game.

It's definitely comical. Nico Collins developed well with Stroud, along with the other receivers. But before that, posters here thought WE had a better roster on offense 🤣. This year, our OL is unquestionably better.

But yeah I'm not trying to slight Stroud by saying his receivers were very good. And I agree on that mutual development. Stroud has a chance to be one of the top handful of players at his position; I don't know his receivers are quite that good, but when healthy they are damn good 

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Honestly I think it’s better than we don’t compare the two. CJ Stroud was the gem of that draft class and the Texans got lucky. I just hope Young can develop into the QB we need him to be. I was ready to move on early in the year but something seems to have clicked with him which is promising. I hope he keeps it up and gets even better! 

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20 hours ago, jb2288 said:

Next year will be interesting. Stroud fell into an amazing situation his first year and did a great job taking advantage of it. Bryce had basically the exact opposite. Now this year Strouds team has regressed and so has he. Bryce again, the opposite. Year 3 will be real fun to follow between these 2. I think both will be great 

Not arguing with you but could it be that the league just figured him out now that they have enough film to disect? Seems like it happen to tons of guys. Another reason I'm starting to see some hope on Bryce. To be doing better despite the film and the blow getting benched does to your confidence, he's trending up. 

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55 minutes ago, Panthero said:

Not arguing with you but could it be that the league just figured him out now that they have enough film to disect? Seems like it happen to tons of guys. Another reason I'm starting to see some hope on Bryce. To be doing better despite the film and the blow getting benched does to your confidence, he's trending up. 

I wouldn’t say “figured him out” because Stroud really is a great talent who can play, but yes having film on a guy definitely makes it harder to QB. I think he just had a ton of things right, where Bryce had all those things go wrong last year. This year things returning to the norm. 

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37 minutes ago, Icege said:

Why is Bryce solely responsible for his rookie season but CJ's sophomore season is his teammates' fault?

Most of the Bryce skeptics do admit he was in a poo situation (see above and a Frankw and I commenting how silly it was to think out roster was better than theirs).  But man he was beyond bad in most games last year.  CJs struggles this year are a mix of things, but he still makes a few good plays a game.

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2 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

Most of the Bryce skeptics do admit he was in a poo situation (see above and a Frankw and I commenting how silly it was to think out roster was better than theirs).  But man he was beyond bad in most games last year.  CJs struggles this year are a mix of things, but he still makes a few good plays a game.

and he is still 2nd in the div and has won 8 games, bit of a difference

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3 hours ago, Panthero said:

Not arguing with you but could it be that the league just figured him out now that they have enough film to disect? Seems like it happen to tons of guys. Another reason I'm starting to see some hope on Bryce. To be doing better despite the film and the blow getting benched does to your confidence, he's trending up. 

Which is why I say Canales benching bryce was the best thing to happen to him. It damn near saved his career. Teams pretty much had to throw the film out from the first 2 weeks. 

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