DJ Moore set the franchise back YEARS by taking his helmet off.

[cardiackat88.]

On 12/17/2024 at 10:51 AM, staffcurtis said:

Prove me wrong.

NOT TRADING BRIAN BURNS FOR THAT KINGS RANSOM SET THIS FRANCHISE BACK AT LEAST A DECADE!!!!!!

Edited December 19, 2024 by cardiackat88.

[ProcessBlue2]

2 hours ago, CRA said:

If Tommy Jone never happens, then there is never a Matt Moore 

If Fox never replaces Pete at halftime, there is no Tommy Jone.

[PNW_PantherMan]

2 hours ago, CRA said:

If Tommy Jone never happens, then there is never a Matt Moore 

If Rodney Peete beat the Jaguars and won the Super Bowl in 2003, Jake would have never amounted to anything.

[dxpanther]

On 12/17/2024 at 11:17 AM, Bear Hands said:

Even after that, it could have been salvaged..

Tepper should have wiped the slate clean once buying, instead of delaying the inevitable.  The whole "don't step on the org's toes year 1" approach killed us.  The 2019 season should have never happened the way it did.  

Cam's shoulder was gone at that point, but we didn't know until he bowed out for the season after the first few.  Kuechly was likely going to retire no matter what.  But you end Rivera at the close of 2018, we would have been positioned for Burrow/Herbert/Tua accordingly.  Simple as that.  

Before that hit Cam was on pace for a season better than his MVP run. Think about it.

[ProcessBlue2]

1 hour ago, dxpanther said:

Before that hit Cam was on pace for a season better than his MVP run. Think about it.

Theres a good chance if TJ Watt never hit Cam, Matt Rhule would have never been HC of the Panthers

Edited December 19, 2024 by ProcessBlue2

[Bear Hands]

1 hour ago, dxpanther said:

Before that hit Cam was on pace for a season better than his MVP run. Think about it.

Of course. He was killing it.

But the playcalling down the stretch was so bad that year coming off the wildcard loss season to the Saints. That was the most frustrated I was with Ron’s staff outside of pre-Riverboat days. It was obvious he was a goner.

Then, the following year though, we just carried through with a lot of assumptions that we had enough talent and Cam was fine (which he wasn’t). Then we had to be thrown for the Kyle Allen whirl. Honestly, going into that 2019 team, it was a great core and a good one to hand off to a new coach. Problem was, Cam was done, CMC just blossoming and the defense was closing its window. 2018 was the year to can Rivera and Hurney at the same time and for Tepper to start his thing..

[Bearzzz]

On 12/17/2024 at 10:33 AM, Jay Roosevelt said:

After watching that abomination last night, it's clear the Panthers set D.J. Moore's career back years by trading him to Chicago.

And he still has one more win and a $110M contract, go figure?

[WhoKnows]

8 hours ago, t96 said:

I don't disagree and my post didn't suggest otherwise. Lol. Just as bad as he was, he is still better than Tepper's other hires, with the jury on Morgan and Canales out

You are correct. In 2020, ESPN had us 32nd in terms of continuity. All the coaches were new and we lost tons of starters like Luke, Cam, Greg, TD, etc. CMC played 10 games in Rhule’s first two years. Rhule wasn’t good but we came close to beating both #1 seeds in 2020 with Teddy and we started 2021 3-0 and there was talk about playoff byes.

Again, bad but much better than the coach and GM we empowered. The Cowboys game really threw ice water on the 5 game feel good run, but it still feels way better than the we got lucky to win 2 games last year.

[WhoKnows]

2 hours ago, dxpanther said:

Before that hit Cam was on pace for a season better than his MVP run. Think about it.

No he wasn’t. He had multiple good games after that Pittsburgh game but he had 45 TDs in 2015. He finished with 28 in 14 games in 2018.

That TJ Watt hit is glorified in here but his shoulder was already a problem. He had shoulder surgery after the 2016 season and he was added to the injury list the game before Pittsburgh. The hit didn’t help but Cam threw for 357 yards and 3 TDs the week after the “hit” and was 25 of 30 for 256 and 2 TDs the next week.

[Captroop]

13 hours ago, cardiackat88. said:

NOT TRADING BRIAN BURNS FOR THAT KINGS RANSOM SET THIS FRANCHISE BACK AT LEAST A DECADE!!!!!!

Having first round picks is one thing. Using them wisely is another. You're giving us a lot of credit by not assuming we'd end up squandering that king's ransom.

[frankw]

16 hours ago, cardiackat88. said:

NOT TRADING BRIAN BURNS FOR THAT KINGS RANSOM SET THIS FRANCHISE BACK AT LEAST A DECADE!!!!!!

Have you seen the way we've drafted the last few years? We would have found a way to squander those picks probably. I don't like saying that but it's true.

[PNW_PantherMan]

3 hours ago, Captroop said:

Having first round picks is one thing. Using them wisely is another. You're giving us a lot of credit by not assuming we'd end up squandering that king's ransom.

Just look at Chicago 

[Day1PanthersFan]

That wouldn't have mattered if we had a kicker in that game

[cardiackat88.]

5 hours ago, frankw said:

Have you seen the way we've drafted the last few years? We would have found a way to squander those picks probably. I don't like saying that but it's true.

 

8 hours ago, Captroop said:

Having first round picks is one thing. Using them wisely is another. You're giving us a lot of credit by not assuming we'd end up squandering that king's ransom.

So? The outcome may have ultimately sucked but you DO NOT turn down that deal. You don't, period. Absolutely no effing reason fatboy did so and he should be ashamed of every calling himself a GM.