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Garrett Wilson eyeing Bryce Young

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13 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

8th and a 3rd at least.  Maybe more.   Then you have to pay him.   Just draft tmac at that point 

Giving up a guy like DJ Moore (who wanted to be here) and then effing up not trading Burns (who didn't want to be here) for 2 1sts and then getting the paltry return from the Giants was almost as bad as trading up and gaslighting the fanbase into believing we had a contending roster and were only a rookie QB away from the playoffs.

Fitterer ran an absolute masterclass in how to destroy a franchise and fanbase...

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He's not talking about wanting to go to the Browns or Titans.  Because of the games we did win and how we looked  in the later half of the season with Bryce ballin out is why he's looking our way. 

Guys don't want to come to teams that tank unless you back up the money truck and even then many won't consider it.  Winning and the things the organization, coaches and players do that result in the wins.  A teams culture actual makes a difference.  Sometimes you have to tank or cut everything until you're at the bottom so you can start fresh with a high draft pick and something to build around.  This year, this draft and our situation is not one of those times.

People may not remember winning or losing a single game but you can damn well bet people remember the stink of losing.  The more it happens the harder it is to overcome. 

I would love Garrett Wilson but probably not at the price it would take.  I think Coker is a legit future star and XL still has a ton of potential as does Sanders.  I'd rather extend Thielen or find another good vet with enough tread left on the tire.  A 2nd really good to elite TE would be great.  We ran quite a few 12 personal against the Falcons with Thielen and Coker as our two WRs.

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4 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Regardless of what you think of Bryce, this team desperately needs a star WR.  If that opportunity presents itself, I say go for it.  The top end of this draft is weak.

I'm a little hesitant. What's it going to cost and is he a team guy when things aren't going well? 

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9 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

No we're not. Until that defense breaks into the top 15 this team will be up and down next season. You cannot expect them to win every shootout and defenses will catch onto Canales scheme and Youngs tendencies. Getting to .500 next year will be a good season from where I sit. FA and the draft will have a lot to do with my confidence in that.

I agree with you in principle. The only caveat I can add putting on my homer hat is that there is typically much more variance in defensive performance than offensive performance in consecutive years.

Meaning we stand a better chance of the defense rebounding to at least average next season based on history.

And our offense was playing for the most part at an average to above average level for most of the 2nd half of the season.

It's hard to believe a unit that finished this season as one of the very worst in NFL history being elite next year, but history says there is a high probability they will not be nearly this bad.

We can certainly hope, but to your original point, I think getting to .500 should be the goal for next year and at least being in the mix for the whole season.

Winning the division or anything beyond would be a nice surprise 

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15 minutes ago, Seltzer said:

I normally would agree, but we have XL & Coker on rookie deals and Theilen is gone after next year.

Point being we're not spending a lot on WR at this point and could fit a GW contract

The draft compensation is hefty, but this offense needs a true #1 WR and they're not easy to find. GW is proven.

Do you think Tmac is a sure enough bet to forego trading for a WR?

I haven't watched enough of Tmac to have an educated opinion

 

Hes going to want ceedee money.   We aren't in a position for that.  

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6 minutes ago, Loyalty4Life said:

He's not talking about wanting to go to the Browns or Titans.  Because of the games we did win and how we looked  in the later half of the season with Bryce ballin out is why he's looking our way. 

Guys don't want to come to teams that tank unless you back up the money truck and even then many won't consider it.  Winning and the things the organization, coaches and players do that result in the wins.  A teams culture actual makes a difference.  Sometimes you have to tank or cut everything until you're at the bottom so you can start fresh with a high draft pick and something to build around.  This year, this draft and our situation is not one of those times.

People may not remember winning or losing a single game but you can damn well bet people remember the stink of losing.  The more it happens the harder it is to overcome. 

I would love Garrett Wilson but probably not at the price it would take.  I think Coker is a legit future star and XL still has a ton of potential as does Sanders.  I'd rather extend Thielen or find another good vet with enough tread left on the tire.  A 2nd really good to elite TE would be great.  We ran quite a few 12 personal against the Falcons with Thielen and Coker as our two WRs.

You make some good points.

I would counter that I think GW is a rare exception that would be worth the cost.

GW is a true #1, where i think XL & Coker are best suited to a 2/3 role.

Regardless, Dan Morgan did a good job finding 2 solid receivers in this draft.

Not everyone, even 1st rounders, have game breaking WR1 ability like GW does.

XL & Coker have shown nice flashes, and I'm glad we have both of them, but GW is a guy DCs have to actually game plan for.

We truly haven't had a guy like that since Smitty. DJ Moore had flashes of being a #1, but hes not elite the way GW is.

I also think we should resign Tremble to go with JT Sanders. I think that is a better TE combo than we have had in years 

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4 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Hes going to want ceedee money.   We aren't in a position for that.  

I agree with you about him wanting top of the market money, but why can't we afford to pay for that? We were paying DJ Moore over $20M a year. 

And we will have XL & Coker for cheap for at least 2 more years.

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