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[Joe Person] Jonathon Brooks had a successful 2nd ACL surgery - Expected to miss all of 2025 Season

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2 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

 We will definitely never agree. Drafting a RB in the 1st or 2nd has a very, very, VERY bad track record over the past 10+ years.

Josh Jacobs, saquon, CMC, Zeke… Michel is a bust. Who else? I wouldn’t say it’s a VERY bad track record 

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51 minutes ago, rayzor said:

We'll, looks like we're keeping Sanders another year. If he can play like he did against Atlanta, I don't have a problem with it.

Or draft another guy. I don't care.

Anything is possible, but I have my doubts Sanders will be here next year.  We will replace him with someone, a draft pick or another free agent signing.  

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11 minutes ago, jb2288 said:

Josh Jacobs, saquon, CMC, Zeke… Michel is a bust. Who else? I wouldn’t say it’s a VERY bad track record 

But did they significantly outpace the guys in the 3rd round or later? The only one in recent memory to do that is Henry.

Furthermore, not a single one of those guys has sniffed a championship. That's really more the point. The track record of top RB's or top PAID RB's getting to championships is quite bad. There is a reason for that.

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35 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

Anything is possible, but I have my doubts Sanders will be here next year.  We will replace him with someone, a draft pick or another free agent signing.  

No more free agent RBs ever, please. Don't trade for the. Don't look in FA. If you want one, draft one. After the third round preferably.

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28 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

But did they significantly outpace the guys in the 3rd round or later? The only one in recent memory to do that is Henry.

Furthermore, not a single one of those guys has sniffed a championship. That's really more the point. The track record of top RB's or top PAID RB's getting to championships is quite bad. There is a reason for that.

Id say healthy cmc and barkely outpace 3rd round picks yes and by quite a lot

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38 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

But did they significantly outpace the guys in the 3rd round or later? The only one in recent memory to do that is Henry.

Furthermore, not a single one of those guys has sniffed a championship. That's really more the point. The track record of top RB's or top PAID RB's getting to championships is quite bad. There is a reason for that.

I don’t know that argument isn’t really RB specific imo. Everything you said above while true, is applicable to every single position besides QB. You could replace WR, LT, DE or whatever and what you said holds true. 

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3 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I mean the proof is in the pudding about drafting a qb early vs later.  Its easy to go look up, you probably would be surprised and change your mind

We're talking about RBs

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2 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

It does. It is statistically very obvious. Anecdotally it is not obvious.

It depends upon what stats you're looking at, and what supports your narrative. 

Teams with RBs drafted in the first round are not only represented in the playoffs, but the Super Bowl over the last decade. 

If you're going to say, "Well they didn't win," I will ask you, "Why didn't they win?" Hell, we didn't lose the Super Bowl due to J-Stew. The 49ers didn't lose the Super Bowl due to CMC (hell, they almost won because of him). Did the Ravens really lose the game yesterday because of King Henry? 

Stats can make something look black and white that's not. There are a multitude of reasons why teams don't win championships (not that the inability to win rings is  necessarily a sign of a failed season).

It's almost a certainty that you'd rather have one than not. Of course it's always better to find a first round talent on day 3 (but that can be said for any position).  

It's not necessarily a good strategy to go into the draft saying you're going to draft this position or that position on this day or that day, you should always let the draft come to you. It's about value and knowing when to strike. 

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25 minutes ago, jb2288 said:

I don’t know that argument isn’t really RB specific imo. Everything you said above while true, is applicable to every single position besides QB. You could replace WR, LT, DE or whatever and what you said holds true. 

I don't think so but I could put together a model looking into that. We would have to agree on the parameters.

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