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REPORT: Panthers going after SAF Jevon Holland

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5 hours ago, Loyalty4Life said:

Evero runs a 2 high safety shell defense similar to Vic Fangio.  The safety position is much, much, much, much, much more valuable in this defense as they have much more responsibility and are asked to do a ton more than a traditional safety.  The position can be a lynchpin to this type of defense.   Bad safety play was almost as horrible as our run defense.

Javon Holland would be a great fit and I don't see a problem paying him the money it would take to sign him.

A safety like Fitz or Justin Simmons with a high football IQ, can play deep, match up in coverage and excel is run support would elevate the entire defense. 

The problem here of course is Holland probably is average at best.  We would be over paying an average guy.  Look at him getting burned here....
 

 

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14 hours ago, Basbear said:

15-20 million, NO THANKS!!

 

Safety get cut all the time, good ones. 

 

I think 6million per is about the limit for me for paying safety.

 

I'd prefer Talanoa Hufanga, a smart team is going to sign him...

That is a fuging insane price.

INSANE.

I will be done with Morgan if that happens.

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On 3/5/2025 at 9:18 PM, TheSpecialJuan said:

https://x.com/panthersontap/status/1897465679671963752?s=46&t=xeIgh_-Vr2aKxBkBJdfnKA

And he will have an inexplicably poor year if we don’t get the defensive line straight. We got great DB play under Rivera because our defensive line and 2nd level were Top 10 units. 
 

great DB play will not translate if the front is not fixed. 
 

Draft Tyler Warren and Cam Skattebo, go defense heavy the rest of the way. 

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12 hours ago, Matthias said:

The problem here of course is Holland probably is average at best.  We would be over paying an average guy.  Look at him getting burned here....
 

 

He didn’t get burned. He sat on the route because the defensive line should have been in Geno’s face by then. The safeties staggered, Holland was taking underneath away. 
 

what this video shows is a representation of what happens to good safeties when the defensive line isn’t good enough. 

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All we need are safeties who are intelligent and decently athletic. The pass rush should do the rest. The biggest problem we faced at the safety position was busted coverage, false steps, bad angles, and a general lack of athleticism. We can fix all of that in the draft with smarter more athletic safeties and it won't cost an arm and a leg. No problem. No need to spend big bucks. The d-line gets the big bucks, and CB1 and CB2. The middle you need smart guys with decent athleticism imo, not expensive superstars.

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Most fans also don't look at player salary in the proper context.  You can never look at the top 15 paid player at any position and it be in the correct order of best to worst.  The salary cap goes up every year resetting the market, sometimes by a little and sometime by a ton.  This causes the average pay at all positions to go up. 

What is expensive now is not what will be expensive in year 3,4 or 5 of a contract. 

Your scheme can dictate a lot.  Certain players are worth more money in certain schemes. 

IMHO, the biggest indicator for what a player gets paid is timing.  It isn't a fantasy draft.  Who is available to be paid is a huge factor.  It's why QB's are paid so much.  High demand, limited supply.  It's why B+ players many times get A+ money.  Smart teams can also do the opposite and pay a better player less because of a large supply hitting the market at the same time.

The highest paid players are many times not the best player at that position, they're just the latest one to get paid. 

I always laugh when a top 10 player gets a new contract because of how many people start bitching about the team overpaying.  It's really difficult for many fans (and some teams) to accurately tell the real value in financial terms of a player.  That is why having a guy like Brandt Tilis who is an expert at the economics and a good GM (hopefully like Morgan) who knows how to evaluate players is gold.

People in this thread are making comparisons of the present personal, value and pricing with teams from 5 or 10 years ago that ran completely different systems.  Crazy.

If you want to sign a top 15 safety in this cycle you're going to be paying him at least 12-15 mil per season.  Potential top 5 available guy like Holland who is only 25 will probably get 17-20 per year.  That's the market.   

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Young safeties still get paid.  Value is relative. Draft one and get one in free agency. Holland is the prototype. This is a good safety class too. Check the boxes. Rather pay a safety than trade for DK and pay him the big bucks. Despite WR help being a need. Same with edge draft one and add one in FA if possible. DL, Edge and safety are where I would focus in FA.  Coincidently also the areas i would be looking at in the first three rounds, RB, WR and TE would be targets in the mid rounds. 

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if they do spend big it could potentially be an indicator that they intend to draft one early 

spending ~20 million avg annually on the position group sounds a whole lot more economical and rational than spending <~20 avg per on one guy 

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It may be called a bargain bin type of FA but Andre Cisco is on my radar.  I mean he was in Jacksonville so we may have not seen his best. Still young and will be much cheaper than the San fran guy with an alphabet soup name or Holland. 

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