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tukafan21 Grand Master

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1 hour ago, Chaos said:

Give me Cooper Kupp

We already have him, his name is Adam Thielen.

People need to stop thinking about every single player in a vacuum and look at how said player would compliment our existing roster and add something to it.

I've been a big fan of Kupp throughout his career, would have loved him in the past, but right now, given his injury issues, age, and already having Thielen, he just makes no sense to go after.

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5 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

We already made a guy with the "if healthy" distinction the highest paid DB in NFL history. How much cap and assets are we wanting to dedicate to "if healthy"?

That's the entire NFL. 

IF HEALTHY 

otherwise it's 

NFL= Not For Long. 

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5 hours ago, Dingo_ate_Babies said:

No, lol. For several reasons.

First, the 9ers won’t trade him since they already traded Deebo.

Secondly, his contract is bonkers and the assets needed to acquire him would be way too much for a currently injured receiver. He is good, just not worth the trade.

We’re better off using our 8 pick on the best WR available in the draft.

I haven't bothered to look into it for 2 reasons, but I'm not so sure his contract would be bonkers for a team that trades for him.  Because the new team doesn't pick up the signing bonus portion or the cap hits that come from that, so depending how SF structured the deal, there is always a chance that it's actually not a bad contract for a team to trade for.

But the two reasons that doesn't matter is because if SF is actually willing to trade him, to me, that screams they're concerned about his recovery from the injury and would make me not want him based on that alone.  And the second is that if his injury recovery is fine, then in the end, they're not going to trade him anyways, so it's all moot to begin with.

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4 hours ago, jtm said:

I don't think WR is as desperate as many here believe it is.  Post-benching Bryce didn't have any issues putting points on the board and moving the ball.  With an average to above average defense, the Panthers are a respective team.  I suspect Coker, Legette, and Sanders will be much improved with a year under their belt.  I'd love to see them grab a stud WR, but they shouldn't take on a bad contract.  

It's easily a bottom 5 WR group.

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      By tukafan21 · Posted

      How am I all over the place?  I'm still saying that. I'm saying that Chark at his best and T-Mac right now, on the same team right now for the 2025 season, T-Mac would be ahead of him on the depth chart Week 1. Because in the same way everyone is saying, "T-Mac hasn't played a snap in the NFL yet", the very same is true to say, "nothing Chark did in his past matters moving forward" His peak was a 1,008 yard season where he was the only decent WR on a terrible team.  He didn't put up the 1k yard season because he was a great WR, it was because of how bad the rest of them on the team were. His stats aren't the same as his ability, and his ability was never all that good to begin with. Hell, most of this board agrees that T-Mac is our #1 right now, even if Thielen is Bryce's #1 option early in the saeson just because of the comfort level there, he's still just a slot safety valve and T-Mac is our #1. If you put peak Chark on the roster RIGHT NOW (even without T-Mac)... is anyone even putting him over Thielen, XL, or Coker going into this season? I'm honestly not sure many of us would consider him as such, because even at his best, he was just a JAG.  So if the same people who are okay with T-Mac being ahead of those guys right now, wouldn't put Chark above them, how can you in the same breath say Chark was better than T-Mac already is now?
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      Dude... you're just all over the place. You're the one who said T-Mac is better right now than Chark was at his best.
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      When I say "average NFL WR", for me, that's comparing him to all WRs in the league during that season/span of time.  He was of course better than those #4-6 WR's that can't even get on the field, but talent/ability wise, he probably wasn't any better than a #3 WR for most NFL teams, he just happened to be on one of the teams in 2019 with even worse WR's so he put up solid stats for the season. Here's more or less how I'm looking at it. Take T-Mac right now and Chark at his best, put them on every NFL team at this very moment, and where would they fall on the depth chart come Week 1 (basically, the teams that don't put the rookies at #1 to "make them earn it in camp" don't count, it's projecting week 1 depth charts). T-Mac would be at worst the #2 WR on the majority of teams this season, (hell, he's likely our #1 at this very moment right now already), peak Chark would not.  Yes, T-Mac still has to prove himself at this level, but his current ability, even as a rookie who hasn't played a snap yet, would have him above Chark on any team's week 1 depth chart. Because again, you can't just fall back on "well Chark had a 1,000 yard season" and use that as the reason for having him above T-Mac.  As he didn't have that 1k yards because he was a beast, it was because he was the only halfway decent receiving option on a bad team that was always losing and passing the ball (the Jags had the 7th worst scoring differential that season).
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