Texas A&M Nic Scourton vs. Purdue Nic Scourton

[Jay Roosevelt]

I don't know what Texas A&M was doing with their edge rushers. They had two freaks in Scourton and Shemar Stewart and yet instead of turning them loose they asked them to play 20 lbs overweight and just set the edge.

That's full-on coaching malpractice at any level. Much was made about Shemar Stewart's lack of sack production, but while he wasn't my favorite prospect this year a lot of that was clearly what they were asking him to do.

The good news with Scourton is that, unlike Stewart, did manage to be a huge factor as a pass rusher despite this and despite playing 20 lbs overweight. If he can stay around 260-265 it should help him re-gain some of that explosiveness from his Purdue days.

[*FreeFua*]

11 minutes ago, Icege said:

I did, but again we're aware of the practice in college of inflating height/weight as well as what is considered normal and his freshman weight tells a lot.

There was a recent Raw Room episode where at one point they were discussing putting on their "big boy weight" when they go to the pros. It's common for guys to have to slap on 20lbs over the summer, but King Dunlap mentioned having to put on 30 and how much of a toll that took on his body. That makes the idea of putting on 50 at the college level even harder to believe. I've got experience with cutting weight and that type of drop sounds just awful... and that's even if doing it healthy and not just turning yourself into a piece of human jerky. Having to add 50? Noooooo thank yoooou. I can understand wanting to take Scourton at face value, but we didn't take Bryce at face value either (and for good reason!).

Give the recently posted videos a shot. I watched the one you linked even though I've already seen it, so why not extend the same courtesy? I think you'll find yourself getting more excited about his Purdue tape than you will being irritated by what you believe are false narratives being pushed.

I’m honestly not trying to argue with you or talk bad about Scourton, I like him and I’ve watched all of his Purdue stuff/videos you linked previously. Just like I’ve watched all of Princely’s Florida stuff

I’m only pointing out the weight thing because I’m excited about the idea of him being 255-260 and being more of a stand up edge here in Carolina like he was at Purdue versus at A&M

And like you, I have a crap load of experience doing the whole cutting/weight/fitness thing and I know how crappy/sluggish I feel when I’m holding as little as an extra 8-10lbs of unnecessary weight. So for Scourton to come out and say he’s 255-260 now and feels good that’s exciting based on what he’s put on film at 280 and not feeling his best 

[Bear Hands]

Yeah Scourton is exciting for more than a few reasons. I don’t want to set too high of expectations, but I really can see him getting a lot of snaps from the get go. 

He seems more ready to go than most edge prospects in this class. No injury concerns, no undersized edge setting concerns, he fits a starting role and if he wants it, it’s his to grab and run with.

 

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

Yeah Scourton is exciting for more than a few reasons. I don’t want to set too high of expectations, but I really can see him getting a lot of snaps from the get go. 

He seems more ready to go than most edge prospects in this class. No injury concerns, no undersized edge setting concerns, he fits a starting role and if he wants it, it’s his to grab and run with.

 

If he looks good in camp and preseason I honestly expect us to bite the bullet and release Clowney. I don't think we're going to find a trade partner.

[frankw]

It's a tightrope being a Panthers fan and trying not to get too caught up in the hype and optimism this time of year. I'm trying to be cautious and realistic. But we are adding pass rushers that already have some skill set built in. And also of importance the youth factor as they have plenty of time to develop. Scourton is 20 and Princely just turned 23. At least we are rolling the dice on this instead of drafting very raw and limited older pass rushers like DJ Johnson.

[Icege]

2 hours ago, Jay Roosevelt said:

I don't know what Texas A&M was doing with their edge rushers. They had two freaks in Scourton and Shemar Stewart and yet instead of turning them loose they asked them to play 20 lbs overweight and just set the edge.

That's full-on coaching malpractice at any level. Much was made about Shemar Stewart's lack of sack production, but while he wasn't my favorite prospect this year a lot of that was clearly what they were asking him to do.

The good news with Scourton is that, unlike Stewart, did manage to be a huge factor as a pass rusher despite this and despite playing 20 lbs overweight. If he can stay around 260-265 it should help him re-gain some of that explosiveness from his Purdue days.

Shemar Stewart was reported by TAMU to be weighing 290 and showed up to the combine @ 267. Shemar Turner was also reported to be 300 but showed up to the combine @ 290.

Granted, Turner is much less egregious but yea those TAMU linemen had to put on extra weight in order to execute the scheme effectively. I bet these guys can't wait to finally start pinning their ears back with their new aerodynamic builds. 

Edited 22 hours ago by Icege

[jfra78]

3 minutes ago, Icege said:

Shemar Stewart was reported by TAMU to be weighing 290 and showed up to the combine @ 267. Shemar Turner was also reported to be 300 but showed up to the combine @ 290.

Granted, Turner is much less egregious but yea those TAMU linemen had to put on extra weight in order to execute the scheme effectively.

Or they just lied about their weights

[NCBlu]

1st team all-SEC last season so he was doing something right.

Sacks are great but if you are making plays in the backfield and disrupting the play I'm good with that also.

[amcoolio]

Honestly I don't care if he isn't great at rushing the passer. NFL is going back to a running league and we need to stop the run. We have several players that love to attack the runner now, including two of our first 5 draft picks and the top FA safety we signed.  Get back to tackling and smart football. I'll take a Thomas Davis linebacker over a Hasson Reddick one any day.

 

Edited 20 hours ago by amcoolio

[LinvilleGorge]

9 minutes ago, amcoolio said:

Honestly I don't care if he isn't great at rushing the passer. NFL is going back to a running league and we need to stop the run. We have several players that love to attack the runner now, including two of our first 5 draft picks and the top FA safety we signed.  Get back to tackling and smart football. I'll take a Thomas Davis linebacker over a Hasson Reddick one any day.

 

The NFL is never going to go back to a running league. They want high flying offense and they'll keep changing the rules to get that. Casual viewers want to see passing offense and points scored and most rule changes in the past couple of decades have been focusing on making it easier to throw the ball and score points. Over half the teams threw the ball on 60% or more of their offensive snaps last year. 

[csx]

17 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The NFL is never going to go back to a running league. They want high flying offense and they'll keep changing the rules to get that. Casual viewers want to see passing offense and points scored and most rule changes in the past couple of decades have been focusing on making it easier to throw the ball and score points. Over half the teams threw the ball on 60% or more of their offensive snaps last year. 

Passing yards per game are on a roughly 4 year downwards trend.  Rushing yds per are up in the same period. 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/NFL/rushing.htm

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, csx said:

Passing yards per game are on a roughly 4 year downwards trend.  Rushing yds per are up in the same period. 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/NFL/rushing.htm

Yeah, and 19 teams are still passing at a 60% plus clip. It's never going to be '80s football again. They'll keep changing the rules if they have to.

[PNW_PantherMan]

8 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, and 19 teams are still passing at a 60% plus clip. It's never going to be '80s football again. They'll keep changing the rules if they have to.

The Eagles and Ravens aren't really 80s football though.

[frankw]

I wouldn't read too much one way or another yet into the league favoring running over passing or vice versa. Right now offensive coaches are favoring balance and defensive coaching staff's are obviously having success. But it's ever evolving and I expect passing numbers to go back up again. And even though some people might dismiss it at the end of the day the league knows what moves the needle with viewership. I can agree they will alter rules if need be to maintain that.