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An honest look at Bryce Young

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2 hours ago, Icege said:

Jalen Hurts went 14 of 21 for 108yds in that same game too...

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If we're gonna cherry-pick stats, of course. 😛

Good teams play down to there competition...it happens. I don't know why yall think this doesn't apply here as well. The jalen hurts in the playoffs blows this team out, same for mahomes and KC. 

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On 5/4/2025 at 12:17 PM, AggieLean said:

Im still hesitant on Bryce. 
 

Needs to get us out of drafting in the top 10. If we are, I go QB. 

Exactly this.   He controls his own future and it's basically decided this coming season.  As the #1 overall pick in his third season at qb, if we are picking in the top 5 or 6 next draft in a very qb heavy draft,  he made his own bed.

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3 hours ago, Navy_football said:

So can we all at least agree that he's physically able to play the position at a high level? There were a lot of weird takes on here before like:

1. he's too short to see the field. all of his passes will be batted down. he'll have to do that hop pass just to get the ball over defenders. he just won't ever be effective passing in the middle of the field. and will never be able to take snaps from under center.

2. he's too small; he'll get injured the first time he's hit; he'll go down whenever he's touched by a defender

3. he's too slow to outrun defensive linemen. he just won't be able to escape the rush or make defenders miss. 

4. his arm is just too weak to throw the deep out in tight coverage. or to complete a deep pass

Did I miss anything? And he showed he was able to do all of those things his rookie season. Just not consistently. Obviously the problem was always  mental. Confidence and trust in his team mates. 

I think both things can be true.  I think he is capable of playing at a high level, I also think without any elite physical traits,  and his height, he has a much smaller margin of error.  Both things can be true.  All physical traits and his brain are all tools.  The more tools you have in your bag the more chances you have to get the job done, but that doesn't mean you cant with minimal tools.

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4 hours ago, Navy_football said:

So can we all at least agree that he's physically able to play the position at a high level? There were a lot of weird takes on here before like:

1. he's too short to see the field. all of his passes will be batted down. he'll have to do that hop pass just to get the ball over defenders. he just won't ever be effective passing in the middle of the field. and will never be able to take snaps from under center.

2. he's too small; he'll get injured the first time he's hit; he'll go down whenever he's touched by a defender

3. he's too slow to outrun defensive linemen. he just won't be able to escape the rush or make defenders miss. 

4. his arm is just too weak to throw the deep out in tight coverage. or to complete a deep pass

Did I miss anything? And he showed he was able to do all of those things his rookie season. Just not consistently. Obviously the problem was always  mental. Confidence and trust in his team mates. 

When we’re able to run a QB sneak, then those fears will ease from me.

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1 hour ago, AggieLean said:

When we’re able to run a QB sneak, then those fears will ease from me.

For better or worse I don't think that's ever going to be on the table. What game was it last year where we got ourselves into multiple 4th and 1 situations on the opponents side of the field and every single time Dave Canales opted to bring out Eddie Pinero who proceeded to miss wide? It's definitely something they are going to have to figure out.

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1 hour ago, AggieLean said:

When we’re able to run a QB sneak, then those fears will ease from me.

I could give AF about a QB sneak.  Plenty of QBs also couldn't scramble the way that Bryce can, you work with what you have.  

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1 hour ago, NAS said:

I could give AF about a QB sneak.  Plenty of QBs also couldn't scramble the way that Bryce can, you work with what you have.  

Why? Look how tough sometimes short yardage situations can be for teams to get in the NFL.

The Eagles or other large body QBs have no problem picking it up. Not being able to QB sneak can completely change game plans, making it much harder to be unpredictable as an offense. 

Go ask Eagle fans if they care about having a QB n oline that can almost guarantee a 3rd or 4th and 1 AUTOMATIC

Game changer type ish

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3 hours ago, Tr3ach said:

I think both things can be true.  I think he is capable of playing at a high level, I also think without any elite physical traits,  and his height, he has a much smaller margin of error.  Both things can be true.  All physical traits and his brain are all tools.  The more tools you have in your bag the more chances you have to get the job done, but that doesn't mean you cant with minimal tools.

I was ready to let this go but I think you're all missing the point I was making. 

A lot of guys were making definitive statements like Bryce can't do something because "insert physical limitation". My point is that he can. And he can consistently do it. No, he doesn't do it like Mahomes or Josh Allen. He does it like Bryce Young. And he's able to do it consistently. 

Now QB sneak is probably legit. That's probably not in his bag. But honestly, it's probably better to have another guy to take those hits for your QB. If you have a freak like Cam, Allen or Hurts, sure go ahead. They feed off of those plays too. Most other QBs wouldn't have a problem bringing in a RB/TE type for short yardage runs up the gut. 

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24 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

Why can't they just bring in someone like Tremble to run a tush push like play on "and 1" situations?

That used to be a fullback play in my day. 100% could be that today as well. Snap the ball to a guy that's used to moving guys when he has the ball. 

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