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Hornets Screwed in NBA Draft Lottey...Again

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On 5/25/2025 at 3:48 PM, djp14 said:

Worst thing is, we were all set to draft Mitchell, but decided to grab Malik Monk when he dropped. 

I mean we drafted and traded away Kobe and SGA we are just a cursed franchise right now. We really should just trade away Melo and get building draft capital. The Thunder and Rockets did well with this approach. 

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I am researching this lottery scientifically to see the odds of all these “better” teams moving up.  I am adding how the NBA benefits from said team moving up.

First…there is no draft at all since the lottery that hasn’t had questionable results.  None.  In years where the top pick was clearly not a franchise player things went to plan.  The odds that Dallas, San Antonio and Philly get top 3 picks is nearly impossible.  The top 3 teams had 42 % chance to get the top pick.  None of them got the top pick.  That is nearly impossible.   
 

Lets not even go deeper cuz there is much more here but when you couple this with the real world scenarios we are talking about they is no way statistic that LeBron goes to Cleveland, Rose to the Bulls etc.

I am really starting to see a pattern where the teams are actually in on it which is disturbing.  The Hornets/ Bobcats have actually helped other teams via the draft more than any team.

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On 5/13/2025 at 8:34 AM, PantherChris said:

Oh I'm aware.

The lotto is a joke both the NBA and NHL lottos every year there is a true generational talent the lotto miraculously hands them to a huge market team.....

NHL New York climbs from 14 to 1

NBA Dallas from 15 to 1

I don't really think the NHL is rigged though.  Plenty of small market teams are competitive.  Carolina, St Louis, Edmonton, Calgary, Nashville.

I think the Rangers genuinely got lucky, but they've had plenty of bad years.  Pittsburgh is going through a rebuild, Detroit, and Chicago are all struggling.

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1 hour ago, TheMaulClaw said:

I don't really think the NHL is rigged though.  Plenty of small market teams are competitive.  Carolina, St Louis, Edmonton, Calgary, Nashville.

I think the Rangers genuinely got lucky, but they've had plenty of bad years.  Pittsburgh is going through a rebuild, Detroit, and Chicago are all struggling.

Of those small markets none have won insane odds to jump up in lotto picks except the oilers.....

 

The Hurricanes, and Predators and to a lesser extent Calgary and the blues have been competitive by DRAFTING extremely well later on.

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20 hours ago, Shocker said:

I am researching this lottery scientifically to see the odds of all these “better” teams moving up.  I am adding how the NBA benefits from said team moving up.

First…there is no draft at all since the lottery that hasn’t had questionable results.  None.  In years where the top pick was clearly not a franchise player things went to plan.  The odds that Dallas, San Antonio and Philly get top 3 picks is nearly impossible.  The top 3 teams had 42 % chance to get the top pick.  None of them got the top pick.  That is nearly impossible.   
 

Lets not even go deeper cuz there is much more here but when you couple this with the real world scenarios we are talking about they is no way statistic that LeBron goes to Cleveland, Rose to the Bulls etc.

I am really starting to see a pattern where the teams are actually in on it which is disturbing.  The Hornets/ Bobcats have actually helped other teams via the draft more than any team.

Assuming all owners are in on it. Owners probably make more money when the Lakers are good than they would if their own team is good so why wouldn't they be cool with the bigger markets always getting the breaks

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On 5/27/2025 at 10:10 PM, Shocker said:

I am researching this lottery scientifically to see the odds of all these “better” teams moving up.  I am adding how the NBA benefits from said team moving up.

First…there is no draft at all since the lottery that hasn’t had questionable results.  None.  In years where the top pick was clearly not a franchise player things went to plan.  The odds that Dallas, San Antonio and Philly get top 3 picks is nearly impossible.  The top 3 teams had 42 % chance to get the top pick.  None of them got the top pick.  That is nearly impossible.   
 

Lets not even go deeper cuz there is much more here but when you couple this with the real world scenarios we are talking about they is no way statistic that LeBron goes to Cleveland, Rose to the Bulls etc.

I am really starting to see a pattern where the teams are actually in on it which is disturbing.  The Hornets/ Bobcats have actually helped other teams via the draft more than any team.

I posted the odds. It was 1-4000

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OKC lost Durant, Harden & Westbrook. They play in the one of the smallest markets in the league, and have never won the lottery. They play in the tougher conference. And now they're in the NBA finals. 

We have no excuse. 

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51 minutes ago, djp14 said:

OKC lost Durant, Harden & Westbrook. They play in the one of the smallest markets in the league, and have never won the lottery. They play in the tougher conference. And now they're in the NBA finals. 

We have no excuse. 

It's not about excuses, in fact I think the Hornets are in a decent position in the draft.  It's just obvious the league is rigging the draft, and when you know that it makes the product hard to watch and get invested in. 

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21 hours ago, PantherChris said:

Of those small markets none have won insane odds to jump up in lotto picks except the oilers.....

 

The Hurricanes, and Predators and to a lesser extent Calgary and the blues have been competitive by DRAFTING extremely well later on.

The Hurricanes also have been great with analytics, and lets be honest, it's also coaching.

Development of draft picks is vital.  The Hornets have had plenty of high picks, and they either miss or don't develop them properly.  Compare the ability of how each the Hornets and Canes develop.  It's night and day.

The problem with the Hornets has always been at the top, not because of a NBA conspiracy (which may also be true.)  

I'm just saying that smart teams find a way to eventually be competitive regardless of draft status.  Look at the Pacers, great example of a similar market that is consistently pretty competitive.

The difference is we select the MKGs and Adam Morrisons of the world.

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2 hours ago, TheMaulClaw said:

The Hurricanes also have been great with analytics, and lets be honest, it's also coaching.

Development of draft picks is vital.  The Hornets have had plenty of high picks, and they either miss or don't develop them properly.  Compare the ability of how each the Hornets and Canes develop.  It's night and day.

The problem with the Hornets has always been at the top, not because of a NBA conspiracy (which may also be true.)  

I'm just saying that smart teams find a way to eventually be competitive regardless of draft status.  Look at the Pacers, great example of a similar market that is consistently pretty competitive.

The difference is we select the MKGs and Adam Morrisons of the world.

Although I completely agree about the Hornets front office that doesn’t change the fact that the draft lottery is a farce

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I don't think you can really compare the NHL to the NBA.  Sure they both have a lottery, but every pick outside the 1st round in the NBA is like a 5th round pick in the NFL.  The talent evaluation in basketball has a lot less uncertainty and players are expected to be able to contribute at 18 years old.  There's no development system for your 7th round pick to come up in.  You basically get what you draft in the 1st round.

The NHL is a lot closer to baseball in my opinion.  Yeah you might have a 1st overall pick that can play right away.  But basically everyone is going through a minor league development system until they're ready to contribute at the highest level.

In the NBA your talent pipeline is basically Adam Silver and his lotto balls and that's it.

It's true that the Hornets front office has been ass.  But I think the NBA is the most tilted league against smaller markets.  I don't know how you're supposed to be successful without having the lottery gods bestow it upon your franchise.

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On 5/27/2025 at 10:10 PM, Shocker said:

I am researching this lottery scientifically to see the odds of all these “better” teams moving up.  I am adding how the NBA benefits from said team moving up.

First…there is no draft at all since the lottery that hasn’t had questionable results.  None.  In years where the top pick was clearly not a franchise player things went to plan.  The odds that Dallas, San Antonio and Philly get top 3 picks is nearly impossible.  The top 3 teams had 42 % chance to get the top pick.  None of them got the top pick.  That is nearly impossible.   
 

Lets not even go deeper cuz there is much more here but when you couple this with the real world scenarios we are talking about they is no way statistic that LeBron goes to Cleveland, Rose to the Bulls etc.

I am really starting to see a pattern where the teams are actually in on it which is disturbing.  The Hornets/ Bobcats have actually helped other teams via the draft more than any team.

I brought it up elsewhere, but even the year we took SGA, which was the player I wanted that year (fwiw, I hated the Bridges pick), we took SGA then traded him for Bridges, who was taken a pick after ours.  Like why tf should anyone do that?  If we wanted Bridges, we could’ve just taken him without pick.  And all we netted was a 2nd round pick and a solid role player who beats women in his spare time.  But outside of player for player, all we gained was a 2nd rounder.  And don’t feel like going back to look, but look how many picks we traded over the years for nothing or cash considerations.  Remember when we drafted Duren and then traded him for literally fuging nothing?  These trades are too many to count.

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