JJ Jansen on tanking

[PNW_PantherMan]

16 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

To be fair, historically we have overperformed our lottery slot(in terms of probability) and had a pretty significant hand in making very poor draft picks for a long time.

We haven't had a good GM since Bob Bass with the original hornets.

[kungfoodude]

34 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

We haven't had a good GM since Bob Bass with the original hornets.

Not to say we haven't been fuged by the NBA just like a lot of the other small market teams like what just transpired but when we have had the ability to get a star or superstar, we have largely flubbed it royally. 

Jordan cast a massive shadow over the organization with his horrific talent evaluations for years and years.

[Basbear]

Anyone that believes getting a couple late season wins to end the season at 4-13 while picking 9th in each round, other than 2-15 with the 1st pick in each round is not being realistic. 

It happens nearly every other year, Jags gave the browns a insane package to move from 2nd to 5th. If not for late season pointless/everyone forgets late season wins the Panthers would have gotten that franchise changing package. Not to mention Panthers would have had Herbo and Sewell in other years, but nope. Do I need to bring up da bears???

The goal is long term winning in order to make the playoffs, one season to tank could spark it with a Burrow that's gets sacked 60 times on the way to a SB. 

I want to win as bad as anyone, but the second the Panthers are eliminated from playoff contention, the ONLY solution is to lose the remaining games to gain a better chance to never do that again. No other answer. 

[WhoKnows]

1 hour ago, WUnderhill said:

Tanking in the NFL isn’t really a thing and anybody wanting to bring the rigged lottery to the NFL has an ulterior motive.

It can happen but it’s nothing like the NBA. One player doesn’t make the difference in the NFL that one player can in the NBA. Also, there are just not the same amount of trades and even opportunities. Because the NFL isn’t just one stud away, you don’t get a lot of opportunities like Miami did with Tua or the Jets did with Zach Wilson. Both teams got multiple 1sts for players they traded (Jets had 5 1sts in 2021-2022 and Miami had 5 1sts in 2020-2021) and both got top 5 picks to select a QB. They both made some good and bad picks but Miami turned Tua into multiple playoff appearances even though Tua isn’t elite. Wilson was just so bad that the Jets still sucked. We had our opportunity in 2022 where we would have had 6 1sts and 4 2nds in 2023-2025 and probably had a top 5 pick in 2023 or 2024 for a QB without trading up. Unfortunately, Fitterer didn’t have the foresight to realize a full rebuild was necessary and when a team offers you 2 1sts and a 2nd for a non-QB like Tunsil and Burns, you take it.

One thing I wish trades had in the NFL that they have in the NBA is protected picks. A moron like Fitterer could have a top 5 protected pick so his terrible GMing doesn’t accidentally give the Bears the #1 overall pick because the moron Fitterer incorrectly thought we were 1 player away from the playoffs.

[Move the Panthers to Raleigh]

On 5/13/2025 at 2:39 PM, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, the lottery in concept is a good idea to prevent tanking. In reality, it's created a lot of controversy for the NBA because of the perception of rigging the system for outcomes desirable for the league.

“Perception” yeah, sure

[Shocker]

6 hours ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

We haven't had a good GM since Bob Bass with the original hornets.

Are we really talking about 30+ years ago?  Damn

[PNW_PantherMan]

4 minutes ago, Shocker said:

Are we really talking about 30+ years ago?  Damn

He was kind of my hero because he would always find a way to flip what we had into a good team.  He was a wizard with trades.  He had to work around Shinn not wanting to to give out big contracts.

[Icege]

19 hours ago, WhoKnows said:

Dude, I’m sorry but I don’t get your worries about this magical culture and fan involvement.

And that right there is the disconnect.

It’s not that you’re being misunderstood... it’s that you’re refusing to consider any perspective but your own. That kind of zero-sum absolutism doesn’t lead to learning nor understanding. It just creates dissonance and a distorted sense of certainty.