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20 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, Smitty/Moose/Proehl is honestly the only legit high level WR corps we've ever fielded. Smitty is by far and away our GOAT WR, Moose is by far and away the #2, DJ Moore is easily the #3 and from there it just falls off a cliff. KB is the only other guy we've ever had who showed promise that he might be a long-term high level starter.

I'm putting Carrier ahead of KB and others at 4.  Also because of his impact after he retired during the 2010s.  

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21 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

I'm putting Carrier ahead of KB and others at 4.  Also because of his impact after he retired during the 2010s.  

What I'm specifically saying about KB is outside of the obvious top three he's the only other WR we've ever had who showed definite potential that he could be a long-term high level starter. Carrier was basically a Proehl/Thielen type. Solid player but we only got him in his twilight years.

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18 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

huh?

Tremble is 39th, and Thomas is 25th, but having played in more games than all but 6 players above him on the list 

I was comparing only the WRs, so I took out all TEs expect Tremble and Thomas. I also toggled the recs, TDs, and yards. They are right there in thick of it with extremely poor careers. 

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On 6/10/2025 at 3:18 PM, Seltzer said:

I really thought this was a nice TC story and nothing more...

But it sounds like Renfrow has a legit chance to not only make the roster but contribute.

Honestly, this is one of the best WR groups we've ever had on paper going into TC.

This group has a diverse skill set, and good mix of established veterans and younger players.

Other than in 2008/2009 when we had Smitty & Moose as our starters (and both were established All Pros at this point), this is as good of a room as i can remember going into a season.

Honestly, if you take Smitty out of the equation, our WR groups overall have been subpar for the most part throughout our history.

I'm not crowning this group before they've proved it on the field, but it's hard to not be excited about this group relative to most years.

I think McMillan, XL, Coker, Theilen, Horn, Renfrow, and JT Sanders is exponentially better than what Bryce had 2 years ago as a rookie (Chark, Mingo, TMJ, Theilen, Hurst).

DJ Chark has a 1,000 yard season under his belt and made numerous insane catches to bail Bryce out. Theilen is obviously Theilen. 
 

Mingo and TMJ aren’t great. 
 

In my mind, Chark is better than McMillan, XL, and Coker at this point and you typically only run with three receivers max. 
 

Now had we drafted Tyler Warren, I’d agree with you. 

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4 hours ago, CPcavedweller said:

Theilen is clearly the better all around receiver than Ginn but they are different olayers and comparing them is useless. Theilen is more like a Cotchery than a Ginn. 

I was talking about where they rank on the Panthers all-time WR list. 

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6 hours ago, CPcavedweller said:

DJ Chark has a 1,000 yard season under his belt and made numerous insane catches to bail Bryce out. Theilen is obviously Theilen. 
 

Mingo and TMJ aren’t great. 
 

In my mind, Chark is better than McMillan, XL, and Coker at this point and you typically only run with three receivers max. 
 

Now had we drafted Tyler Warren, I’d agree with you. 

What?!?!?!

Chark's 1,000 yard season was 4 years before he played for us and he only had 525 yards in 15 games as our #1 WR.  Dude has 3,100 yards in 7 seasons, he's the literal definition of a JAG and you think he is better than half our current WR room?

T-Mac is literally already better than Chark was at his peak, which again, was years before he ever even put on a Panthers uniform, and there is a real argument to be made that XL and Coker were both better as rookies than Chark was for us in his one season here.

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34 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

That's certainly what we hope but c'mon... stating it as fact when he's never played a down of NFL football? 

Clark played 2 seasons in college and had a grand total of 1,340 yards with 6 TDs.

T-Mac had 1,402 and 10 as a Sophomore and 1,319 and 8 as a Junior in one less game since they didn't make a bowl (not to mention his 702 and 8 as a Freshman).

In 9 years, Chark had 4,440 yards in his 7 seasons in the NFL and 2 years of college playing time, T-Mac had 3,423 yards in his 3 seasons in college alone.

Chark's only 1,000 yard NFL season (which was only 1,008 yards to begin with, and only 3 games over 79 yards that year) came in an offense where the only other non RB's in the offense to have more than 35 targets were Chris Conely (90 targets for 775 yards) and Dede Westbrook (101 targets for 660 yards).  His 2nd best season, his competition for targets was Keelan Cole Sr (88 targets for 642 yards), Laviska (79 targets for 600) and Conley again (63 targets for 471).

Beyond his 1k season, he had seasons of 706, 525, 502, 174, 154, and 31 yards, despite being the #1 WR on his team for 3 of his 4 seasons that he had over 174 yards.

Any 1st round WR should already be considered a better WR than that, let alone one taken in the Top 10 and has the college statistics that T-Mac had.  Had we traded back and taken Egbuka or Golden, I'd still be saying the same thing about them vs Chark, this has nothing to do with my personal love of T-Mac. 

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3 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Clark played 2 seasons in college and had a grand total of 1,340 yards with 6 TDs.

T-Mac had 1,402 and 10 as a Sophomore and 1,319 and 8 as a Junior in one less game since they didn't make a bowl (not to mention his 702 and 8 as a Freshman).

Chark's only 1,000 yard NFL season came in an offense where the only other non RB's in the offense to have more than 35 targets were Chris Conely (90 targets for 775 yards) and Dede Westbrook (101 targets for 660 yards).  His 2nd best season, his competition for targets was Keelan Cole Sr (88 targets for 642 yards), Lavish (79 targets for 600) and Conley again (63 targets for 471).

Beyond his 1k season, he had seasons of 706, 525, 502, 174, 154, and 31 yards, despite being the #1 WR on his team for 3 of his 4 seasons that he had over 174 yards.

Any 1st round WR should already be considered a better WR than that, let alone one taken in the Top 10 and has the college statistics that T-Mac had.  Had we traded back and taken Egbuka or Golden, I'd still be saying the same thing about them vs Chark, this has nothing to do with my personal love of T-Mac. 

Using college stats to prove someone is a better pro!?!??! Cmon!

We all want Tmac to succeed, but at this point his Pro stats are 0.0.0

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1 hour ago, tukafan21 said:

What?!?!?!

Chark's 1,000 yard season was 4 years before he played for us and he only had 525 yards in 15 games as our #1 WR.  Dude has 3,100 yards in 7 seasons, he's the literal definition of a JAG and you think he is better than half our current WR room?

T-Mac is literally already better than Chark was at his peak, which again, was years before he ever even put on a Panthers uniform, and there is a real argument to be made that XL and Coker were both better as rookies than Chark was for us in his one season here.

Ive watched the nfl long enough to know nothing is for certain and for you to say this is pretty fuging wild.  You have no clue how he is going to perform in the nfl

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