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[ForJimmy]

AR should never have started as a rookie.  He was always a 1 to 2 year project with a very high ceiling.  I wouldn't write him off yet, but he needs to sit for a minute.  

[La Pantera]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

If you could give Bryce the talent of AR you'd have a surefire HOFer.

You mean body/size? Because there isn’t much talent there. Everything AR has is purely physical.

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, La Pantera said:

You mean body/size? Because there isn’t much talent there. Everything AR has is purely physical.

Yeah, natural physical ability. That's what people mean when they say "talent" in regards to football.

[kungfoodude]

AR was one of the most obvious and clear busts I have seen in years as a first round pick. 

The fact that we had a contingent pounding the table for him in the Huddle is scary. 

He doesn't have an ounce of NFL QB ability in his body. He is just a guy that is a great athlete that can throw a pretty long ball once in a while. He is literally a CFL caliber player as his maximum ceiling.

[LinvilleGorge]

8 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

AR was one of the most obvious and clear busts I have seen in years as a first round pick. 

The fact that we had a contingent pounding the table for him in the Huddle is scary. 

He doesn't have an ounce of NFL QB ability in his body. He is just a guy that is a great athlete that can throw a pretty long ball once in a while. He is literally a CFL caliber player as his maximum ceiling.

I was intrigued by him but always said it comes down to the interview process and talking to his former coaches, etc. You gotta find out if he's coachable and has the mental makeup. I think we've found the answer. LOL

[thennek]

As bad as AR has been, the Panthers would’ve been better off right now, if they had stayed at #9 in 2023 and picked him instead of doing what they did. 
At least this way, they would’ve only wasted one draft pick vs what they gave up to pick BY. And they would have kept the #1 pick in the 2024 draft. 

[CarolinaLivin]

Frank Reich, Ryan Poles get honest about challenges of developing No. 1 pick QB. 

*Reich: My handling of offensive system "probably made it more difficult for Bryce (Young)"

*Poles: From 24-25. tone changed from bridging Caleb Williams to 'tough love'
 

https://x.com/jfowlerespn/status/1957857880276705508?s=46

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, thennek said:

As bad as AR has been, the Panthers would’ve been better off right now, if they had stayed at #9 in 2023 and picked him instead of doing what they did. 
At least this way, they would’ve only wasted one draft pick vs what they gave up to pick BY. And they would have kept the #1 pick in the 2024 draft. 

The major issue here being that Richardson went #4. The Panthers correctly evaluated that sitting at #9 we were simply too low in the draft order to land one of the top QB prospects. Now whether or not the move was worth the cost or whether or not we picked the right guy, those are completely different questions but sitting too low at #9 was the correct evaluation of the situation.

Honestly, I'm not sure how much AR even played into our planning process there. Really seemed like it was Young and Stroud. We were fine with either as was shown by us first trying to trade up to #2 initially, but obviously ultimately preferred Young.

[PleaseCutStewart]

29 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

AR was one of the most obvious and clear busts I have seen in years as a first round pick. 

The fact that we had a contingent pounding the table for him in the Huddle is scary. 

He doesn't have an ounce of NFL QB ability in his body. He is just a guy that is a great athlete that can throw a pretty long ball once in a while. He is literally a CFL caliber player as his maximum ceiling.

I hear what you are saying, but he honestly had a similar profile to Jalen Hurts and Lamar Jackson entering the draft. I think he has all the talent to be great; it's just a matter if he can stay healthy and learn to read defenses. He also really had nobody to throw to at WR when he was on the field.

I still wanted CJ number 1 and had Bryce and AR as a distant 2 and 3. AR was definitely a pick that when you made it, you sit him at least year 1 (like the Giants are going to do with Dart). Colts rushed him out there and have paid the price for it so far.

[outlaw4]

If I had a dime every time Daniel Jones found his way to starting an NFL game again...

[ForJimmy]

44 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

AR was one of the most obvious and clear busts I have seen in years as a first round pick. 

The fact that we had a contingent pounding the table for him in the Huddle is scary. 

He doesn't have an ounce of NFL QB ability in his body. He is just a guy that is a great athlete that can throw a pretty long ball once in a while. He is literally a CFL caliber player as his maximum ceiling.

No one wants to miss on the next Josh Allen.  The truth is Allen is clearly an outlier... 

[LinvilleGorge]

17 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

No one wants to miss on the next Josh Allen.  The truth is Allen is clearly an outlier... 

Yep. Honestly, Josh Allen is the most obvious bust I've ever seen in college. The strides he made as a passer I would've previously said was impossible. It's difficult to describe how wildly inaccurate Allen was in college without coming across as hyperbole. He had never completed 60% of his passes before the NFL. Not at Wyoming, not in junior college at Reedley, not even in HS. 

This was Josh Allen in college against decent competition

Just listen to that exasperated "wow..." from the announcer. Bruh is a professional college football commentator and can barely comprehend the level of trash he's watching. LOL

For that guy to turn into a legit MVP NFL QB absolutely boggles the mind.

[ForJimmy]

10 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yep. Honestly, Josh Allen is the most obvious bust I've ever seen in college. The strides he made as a passer I would've previously said was impossible. It's difficult to describe how wildly inaccurate Allen was in college without coming across as hyperbole. He had never completed 60% of his passes before the NFL. Not at Wyoming, not in junior college at Reedley, not even in HS. 

This was Josh Allen in college against decent competition

Just listen to that exasperated "wow..." from the announcer. Bruh is a professional college football commentator and can barely comprehend the level of trash he's watching. LOL

For that guy to turn into a legit MVP NFL QB absolutely boggles the mind.

Yeah his transformation makes me understand the gamble, but just not with a top 10 pick.  On a side note I am curious about how far along Trey Lance has come as a passer.  He had some great physical tools and has sat for years now.  

[fanpanther]

you know who has had a pretty awesome preseason has been ex panthers qb kyle allen, would be total panthers for the lions to end up having to play him due to injury and him lighting it up for them all year.