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Most points ever given up by a Bill Belichick coached team.   

also, since no one bit on my trivia question…..Ronnie “Sunshine” Bass from Remember the Titans was the last Gamecock QB to win a game in Atlanta before Sellars 

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21 hours ago, Davidson Deac II said:

But it should have been expected.  He could have retired after Brady left and his legacy would be secure.  But he just couldn't do it.  And coaching college is a world of difference than coaching in the NFL.

That being said, he could still turn it around.  But I doubt having him will ever get UNC to the heights they expected when they signed him.  

His ego was never gonna allow that 

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I was bored at work today so I typed up my ideas for CFB realignment:

D1 college football would be split into 2 tiers of 5 conferences each: Power 5 (P5) and Group of 5 (G5) conferences.

To bring the total number of FBS teams to an even 140, the following FCS teams would make the moved up into the G5 tier: North Dakota State, South Dakota State, Montana State and Sacramento State.

The P5 tier would consist of 50 teams with 10 teams per conference. Every team would play every other team in it's conference every year.

There would be no conference championship games in P5 tier since teams will play each other during the season to provide the head-to-head tie breaker.

The G5 tier would consist of 90 teams in 5 conferences of 18 teams split into 2 divisions. Teams would play every team in their division every year along with teams from the other division on a rotating schedule.

G5 conference championship games would be held the week following the Army-Navy game between the two division winners from each G5 conference. In the event that Army and Navy are the two division winners in the American conference, the Army-Navy game itself would decide the conference championship.

P5 tier would retain the current 12-team playoff structure and seeding rules with the existing Bowl Game rotation remaining in place.

G5 tier would use a 16-team playoff with conference champions guaranteed the top-5 seeds + homefield advantage in the 1st round. Seeds 6-16 would be decided by national rankings. Homefield advantage would be decided by seeding in the 2nd round with the G5 National Championship held at a neutral site.

There would be a promotion/relegation system in place.

Each P5 conference would have a satellite conference in the G5 as follows:
 - ACC/American
 - Big 10/MAC
 - PAC/MWC
 - SEC/Sun Belt
 - SWC/C-USA

Every 5 years the team in each P5 conference with the worst W-L record over the previous 5 seasons would be relegated to their conference's G5 satellite. Likewise, the team with the best W-L record during the previous 5 seasons will be moved up into the P5.

Any other movement of teams between conferences would be subject to approval by the CFB Competition Committee and teams are only permitted to switch conferences once every 10 years.

The Walter Camp Award will be awarded to the best player in P5 tier. The Maxwell Award will serve as the G5's equivalent award.

The Heisman Trophy will be awarded to the best player in the nation, regardless of conference or tier.

POWER 5 CONFERENCES:

ACC:
Clemson
Duke
Florida State
Miami
N.C. State
North Carolina
Pittsburgh
South Carolina
Virginia Tech
West Virginia

BIG 10:
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Michigan
Michigan State
Nebraska
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Penn State
Wisconsin

PAC-10:
Boise State
BYU
California
Colorado
Oregon
Stanford
UCLA
USC
Utah
Washington

SEC:
Alabama
Arkansas
Auburn
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
LSU
Mississippi State
Ole Miss
Tennessee

SWC:
Arizona
Arizona State
Kansas State
Missouri
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
SMU
TCU
Texas
Texas A&M

GROUP OF 5 CONFERENCES:

AMERICAN:
NORTH DIVISION:
Army
Boston College
Connecticut
Delaware
Maryland
Massachusetts
Rutgers
Syracuse
Temple

SOUTH DIVISION:
Charlotte
East Carolina
James Madison
Liberty
Louisville
Navy
Old Dominion
Virginia
Wake Forest

MAC:
EAST DIVISION:
Akron
Bowling Green
Buffalo
Cincinnati
Eastern Michigan
Kent State
Marshall
Miami of Ohio
Ohio

WEST DIVISION:
Ball State
Central Michigan
Iowa State
Minnesota
Northern Illinois
Northwestern
Purdue
Toledo
Western Michigan

MWC:
EAST DIVISION:
Air Force
Colorado State
Montana State
North Dakota State
South Dakota State
Tulsa
UNLV
Utah State
UTEP

WEST DIVISION:
Fresno State
Hawaii
Nevada
Oregon State
Sacramento State
San Diego State
San Jose State
Washington State
Wyoming

SUN BELT:
EAST DIVISION:
Appalachian State
Coastal Carolina
FAU
FIU
Georgia Southern
Georgia Tech
Kennesaw State
UCF
USF

WEST DIVISION:
Jacksonville State
Middle Tennessee State
South Alabama
Southern Miss
Troy
Tulane
UAB
Vanderbilt
Western Kentucky

C-USA:
EAST DIVISION:
Arkansas State
Houston
Louisiana
Louisiana Monroe
Louisiana Tech
Memphis
Missouri State
Rice
Sam Houston State

WEST DIVISION:
Baylor
Kansas
New Mexico
New Mexico State
North Texas
Texas State
Texas Tech
UTEP
UTSA

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As bad as Arch was in game 1 vs Ohio State. I'm watching them continue to drop passes against San Diego State today un game 2 lol.

Arch got insanely unlucky with the amount of talented WRs that Texas had ALL left before he started. Couple years ago they had Adonai Mitchell and Xavier Worthy, last year they had Matthew Golden and Isaiah Bond.

This year they have Ryan Wingo and Parker Livingstone lol.

Wingo (6'2" 214 lbs) is only a Sophomore that had 472 receiving yards in his only season played last year. 

Livingstone (6'4" 191 lbs) looks like a redshirt freshman. 

Not having veteran WRs from the past few seasons means there's gonna be some growing pains for them this year. 

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