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MLB Devin Lloyd for WR Jalen Coker??

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5 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

We don't know. 

You're the one acting like a LB that the second worst defense in the league is ready to move on from is ready to pick up carry the torch of Mills, Morgan, Beason, Luke, TD, etc. All the while acting like the folks saying "nah" are the crazy ones. 

What does the second worst defense got to do with anything? They are not the second worst because of one player. You should be trying to look at his play in a vacuum the best you can, not essentially saying that every player on a bad defense is bad.

The fact is, Lloyd has improved, leading the Jags in tackles and defensive stops last year. Moreover, the Jags have obviously been having issues, and one way that they plan to fix it is switching from a 3-4 to a 4-3. They may not feel that he's the best fit for their system. 

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While I don’t believe there has been a more overvalued receiver amongst Panther fans since David Gettis, I think I’d want a little more from the Jags to do this. I do like Coker but I believe his ceiling is pretty close to where he’s already at, which is why he went undrafted.

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6 hours ago, TD alt said:

What does the second worst defense got to do with anything? They are not the second worst because of one player. You should be trying to look at his play in a vacuum the best you can, not essentially saying that every player on a bad defense is bad.

The fact is, Lloyd has improved, leading the Jags in tackles and defensive stops last year. Moreover, the Jags have obviously been having issues, and one way that they plan to fix it is switching from a 3-4 to a 4-3. They may not feel that he's the best fit for their system. 

Read my other posts. I've thoroughly explained why I wouldn't do this.

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Dude outplayed last years # 1 pick so let's ship him off because other guys look good in preseason...way too premature. At least wait a few games into the season to see what reality looks like. Renfrow could go down or disappear while Croker has had more recent success with this team. Hell XL is my ship off guy and that is premature. Different ceilings but Im taking the guy with hands and hunger vs thr project without hands everytime at WR. 

Also let the D cook. They spent a lot on that unit this offseason and the DC has to prove he isn't a dud this year. No need to panic and this is what they chose to do to help a historically bad D. Let them prove it or GTFO. (No one is expecting a top rated D but it has to improve and the guys they brought in can't fall flat again)

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7 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Dude outplayed last years # 1 pick so let's ship him off because other guys look good in preseason...way too premature. At least wait a few games into the season to see what reality looks like. Renfrow could go down or disappear while Croker has had more recent success with this team. Hell XL is my ship off guy and that is premature. Different ceilings but Im taking the guy with hands and hunger vs thr project without hands everytime at WR. 

Also let the D cook. They spent a lot on that unit this offseason and the DC has to prove he isn't a dud this year. No need to panic and this is what they chose to do to help a historically bad D. Let them prove it or GTFO. (No one is expecting a top rated D but it has to improve and the guys they brought in can't fall flat again)

Bingo. I have no idea why people are acting like we're expecting to compete for a Super Bowl this year and acting like we suddenly have this glut of proven production at WR. The opposite is true in both cases. 

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This kind of makes sense just looking at the roster & players but ultimately contracts are too important in the NFL. To give up a cheap controlled asset who has produced just as much as your first round pick for an expiring average LB is just bad business. 

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38 minutes ago, Panthering said:

This kind of makes sense just looking at the roster & players but ultimately contracts are too important in the NFL. To give up a cheap controlled asset who has produced just as much as your first round pick for an expiring average LB is just bad business. 

Honestly, it only makes sense if you're trying to chase being the best bad team you can be this year. The number one question we need answered this season is whether or not Bryce is our long-term franchise QB. Trading away a second year WR who was second on the team in catch percentage, first in yards per target, and who clearly outplayed your 1st round pick for a likely one year rental fill in LB is exactly the type of short sighted desperation moves that has made us the worst franchise in the league under Tepper. We gotta stop making these types of moves and just focus on building a good organization and a good roster. Lloyd is a JAG LB another bad team and awful defense is wavering on and a couple of Panthers fans are salivating over him. Oof.

We just need to be patient and wait. Definitely make some calls around the league to teams deep at LB and see if there's an opportunity to add one for a late round pick. Definitely shop the waiver wire hard. The reality is that LB is almost certainly going to be a weakness for us this year. We weren't fixing our entire roster in one off-season and we're not fixing an overall weak positional group in late July.  If you trade for Lloyd LB is still a weakness and you've given up a young promising WR who could potentially help you answer the question of whether or not Bryce is that guy. That's bad football business.

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16 hours ago, Basbear said:

Yep 2025. All teams have projections, join the era!!

 

I'm not to sure it's a solid argument to try to estimate what he will do this season, BUT he's had a solid 3 years in the league. Here's his numbers compared to Jewell's for the same time period. I can see the logic of getting a starting MLB for a (at best) WR4. AT, XL and Tmac are certainly our top 3 guys IN 2025. Certainly worth pondering.

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