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Answers to the QB equation

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raleigh-panther Grand Master

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On 8/16/2025 at 12:14 PM, LinvilleGorge said:

For this year? Nothing.

Onto the 2026 draft if it plays out like this.

Agree

he can either play or he cant and cant afford a slow start anymore either   It is tome to fish or cut bait

…and what is more troublesome, to me,…cant continuously game plan around his shortcomings 

And he definitely has them

i hope he performs for the benefit if all but if he is mediocre again, change is needed

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15 hours ago, frankw said:

All we have to hang our hats on right now is how we supposedly looked in joint practice and even then our head coach Dave Canales himself expressed concern about conditioning.

If you want to say it's a matter of opinion that's fine. But there is enough information to form a conclusion that this team continually looks mediocre or awful in preseason and then looks awful to start the regular season. And that is regardless of who the head coach is. I certainly strongly hope that they flip a switch and suddenly become a competent team in Jacksonville and Arizona. But I wouldn't bet anything of value on that.

You got a whole upcoming season to analyze. Let’s wait for that. No sense doing it now. A lot of people here are just complaining to complain and I understand that is a part of fandom, but annoying. 

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On 8/16/2025 at 2:50 PM, Jmac said:

Hypothetically, if Young shats the bed again, what are the options? Seems to me like we have zero options.  Dalton is washed up and after him, really no one is a NFL caliber QB. The QB room is empty and putting all our chips on Young may become a disaster.

I don't believe he can ever carry the team on his own. God forbid if OLine starters go down. A real concern going into 2025.

I'm willing to give him this year.  If he crashes, then regrouping is needed.

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On 8/16/2025 at 2:50 PM, Jmac said:

Hypothetically, if Young shats the bed again, what are the options? Seems to me like we have zero options.  Dalton is washed up and after him, really no one is a NFL caliber QB.

It's good that there are some people out here with basic sense. Unfortunately this is very likely going to be a frequently revisited conversation on the huddle as the season progresses.

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3 minutes ago, frankw said:

It's good that there are some people out here with basic sense. Unfortunately this is very likely going to be a frequently revisited conversation on the huddle as the season progresses.

I feel like they should leave Bryce out there all year good or bad. That way we have our answer one way or the other about him. If he's bad, we can pick his replacement high and try again

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28 minutes ago, uncfan888 said:

I feel like they should leave Bryce out there all year good or bad. That way we have our answer one way or the other about him. If he's bad, we can pick his replacement high and try again

I don’t think we are going to draft another one. Everyone has rookie QB fatigue, Morgan will probably go after whoever the top guy is in the market. 

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10 minutes ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

I don’t think we are going to draft another one. Everyone has rookie QB fatigue, Morgan will probably go after whoever the top guy is in the market. 

I think that depends more on how high our pick is. If we have the 1st, 2nd or even 3rd pick i think we are drafting a QB rather than shopping FA market for a QB1. Curious if we’d be reluctant to start a rookie QB week 1 though. 

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47 minutes ago, uncfan888 said:

I feel like they should leave Bryce out there all year good or bad. That way we have our answer one way or the other about him. If he's bad, we can pick his replacement high and try again

It depends on what version of bad we are getting. Can't have the locker room tearing apart over it.

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20 minutes ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

I don’t think we are going to draft another one. Everyone has rookie QB fatigue, Morgan will probably go after whoever the top guy is in the market. 

He would be a fool not to draft one.   This should be a good class and it restarts his clock.  Plus what vet free agent do you think is going to move the needle?  

 

I think if Bryce stumbles this year they clear out the qb room and let DC and Dan completely start over.  Thus starting their clocks within the org. 

I guess the big question is, what is their threshold or expectations that they have to see from BY to commit to him moving forward?   And is that in the form of an ext or simply picking up his 5th?

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2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

He would be a fool not to draft one.   This should be a good class and it restarts his clock.  Plus what vet free agent do you think is going to move the needle?  

 

I think if Bryce stumbles this year they clear out the qb room and let DC and Dan completely start over.  Thus starting their clocks within the org. 

I guess the big question is, what is their threshold or expectations that they have to see from BY to commit to him moving forward?   And is that in the form of an ext or simply picking up his 5th?

Morgan at this point is just an extension of Tepper. I get the sense the only way they move on from Bryce is if he looks horrific across the bulk of the season and forces their hand. They are dug in on justifying the pick and the trade. They've done everything possible to telegraph that to anyone observing. If they do move on though we should expect a seeking instant results splash type move. That fits the MO so far. That could very well be an FA or a trade. And if we're being honest if all that happened maybe it would be for the best because it would truly drive him how inept this franchise is at developing a young QB across multiple coaching staffs. And the fact is they hired Canales to be a QB whisperer and so far we haven't seen it.

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9 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

He would be a fool not to draft one.   This should be a good class and it restarts his clock.  Plus what vet free agent do you think is going to move the needle?  

 

I think if Bryce stumbles this year they clear out the qb room and let DC and Dan completely start over.  Thus starting their clocks within the org. 

I guess the big question is, what is their threshold or expectations that they have to see from BY to commit to him moving forward?   And is that in the form of an ext or simply picking up his 5th?

Agreed if Bryce struggles again you let DC draft his QB. There should be several options in this class. 

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45 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

He would be a fool not to draft one.   This should be a good class and it restarts his clock.  Plus what vet free agent do you think is going to move the needle?  

 

I think if Bryce stumbles this year they clear out the qb room and let DC and Dan completely start over.  Thus starting their clocks within the org. 

I guess the big question is, what is their threshold or expectations that they have to see from BY to commit to him moving forward?   And is that in the form of an ext or simply picking up his 5th?

I think it depends where they pick and how well the entire team performs. If the team as a whole looks decent they are more likely to go the veteran QB route. Taking a QB in the first round doesn’t always guarantee more time, ask Frank Reich. 
 

There is always an average or above QB floating around each year. If they can get Arch Manning or something than sure. 

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8 minutes ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

I think it depends where they pick and how well the entire team performs. If the team as a whole looks decent they are more likely to go the veteran QB route. Taking a QB in the first round doesn’t always guarantee more time, ask Frank Reich. 
 

There is always an average or above QB floating around each year. If they can get Arch Manning or something than sure. 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/_/year/2026/position/qb/sort/contract_value

 

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Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/_/year/2026/position/qb/sort/contract_value

 

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You can’t always go off that. The list usually changes as the season plays out because teams have a younger guy they want to invest in and not pay the veteran or you have dipshit owners like Jerry Jones that are unpredictable. Similar to what happened with Cousins, Geno, Alex Smith, etc. 

I wouldn’t be surprised if Prescott, Cousins, Murray, or Purdy was available this year. 

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