Team will never be good as long as Tepper owns the team

[UnluckyforSome]

We've all been full of angst about never having back-to-back winning seasons, but look on the bright side. After this season, we will have had 8 straight losing seasons, and that puts us right on the precipice of a decade of straight losing seasons. Quite the lowly accomplishment.

[Seltzer]

24 minutes ago, CRA said:

Those joint practice reps are something completely different.  And it’s proven to be such under Rhule, Frank and Canales. 

because your QB gets a red jersey.  And he can throw a pick, get “sacked”, not move the chains and still log a “touchdown” in a joint practice series.  That’s not a game situation, today was. 

people have been spinning the practice reps for years now at this point and they proven to just be a bunch of random practice reps.  We heard Bryce was playing like a 7 year vet right exclusively in joint practices…..then put in the worst rookie season of all time  

Im not on the field so I have no frame of reference except for what I see and read, but every single NFL coach I've heard says joint practices provide the very best reps for evaluation they can get for a QB in the preseason.

I mean, every single team does joint practices, and probably at least half dont even play their guys in preseason. That alone speaks volume about what coaches (who's jobs are on the line), actually value. I mean JJ MCCarthy missed his entire rookie season, and yet the Vikings staff feels like joint practices are going to prepare him for the regular season, even after a year off completely from football.

And no, the QBs are getting taken to the ground in joint practices, but it is full speed. Guys are able to get live reps against other starters in real game environments, and in a much more structured & in-depth way, than the arbitrary nature of games. 

I think you are underselling the intensity & quality of these joint practices. Coaches wouldn't rave about them across the board if they weren't valuable.

I know its not the exact same, but I think coaches would rather have 40 reps at full game speed but no tackling with a much lower injury risk than 20 reps at full speed & tackling with a much higher injury risk. I understand your point about not getting hit and the psychological effect, but these QBs have been hit their whole lives. I think its more about playing at game speed and getting the timing down with receivers, which joint practice allows.

In the end, we're all trying to extract value out of the really limited data we're able to see as fans.

It's undeniably frustrating regardless of the context to watch a shitty game like that. And its 3 weeks until we really get to see what this team will be like.

So until then, we have to trust the coaches to make the right calls, and I understand why anyone could or would be skeptical of that given how things have went for a long time now.

[Seltzer]

23 minutes ago, UnluckyforSome said:

We've all been full of angst about never having back-to-back winning seasons, but look on the bright side. After this season, we will have had 8 straight losing seasons, and that puts us right on the precipice of a decade of straight losing seasons. Quite the lowly accomplishment.

A man who is somehow simultaneously glass-half full and glass half-empty lol. I'll cheers to that...

Maybe you have found the secret zen of being a long-suffering Panthers fan!

[UnluckyforSome]

1 hour ago, Seltzer said:

A man who is somehow simultaneously glass-half full and glass half-empty lol. I'll cheers to that...

Maybe you have found the secret zen of being a long-suffering Panthers fan!

At some point the only thing you can do is laugh. There comes a point when you really just have to accept that it's not going to work out. Not in the cards. Not in the stars. I love football. I played it, and I have been employed in the sport. The shitty Panthers that find ways to lose over and over are not going to ruin it for me, try as they might.

Mike Brown gets a bunch of flak for how the Bengals are ran, and deservedly so maybe. I think we are at that level. Every once in a while there will be a good year. The 2005 team is my favorite Panthers team. They almost got to it. But for the most part, every year is the same old poo over and over. This year will be no different. There isn't going to be a remarkable playoff run. There isn't going to be a magical trip to the big game. There isn't going to be an MVP season. They might win 4 games. Maybe 6 or 7 if they catch some breaks.

What can you do? Except shrug, laugh, wait until next year.

[Paa Langfart]

1 hour ago, Seltzer said:

A man who is somehow simultaneously glass-half full and glass half-empty lol. I'll cheers to that...

Maybe you have found the secret zen of being a long-suffering Panthers fan!

huh ?

[Teddy2SuperBowlHeartBreaks]

At least we won't and then lay another egg in the Super Bowl.

[Joe Bear]

8 hours ago, CRA said:

 

We heard Bryce was playing like a 7 year vet right exclusively in joint practices…..then put in the worst rookie season of all time 

That’s a pretty stupid take for a moderator. It was a bad rookie season by any account but it wasn’t even close to the worst ever. Anyway, this team will never be good as long as it runs the 3-4.

[mc52beast]

Canales might be gone by midseason… too early to start talking about the draft?

[therealmjl]

12 hours ago, CPcavedweller said:

We are still reaping what we sowed from the Bryce trade. 

In that draft I wanted to trade down and do the following:

1. Re-sign Darnold

2. Re-sign Wilks

3. re-sign Foreman

4. Get Dalton Kincaid/O’Cyrus Torrance

5. Draft Charbonnet

6. Draft Mimms

Now clearly this isn’t a detailed plan but it is an outline of what likely would have turned into a successful core of an outline for building the talent of the team. 
 

All of this is in my post history as well. But it’s sad that my decision making, on paper, three years ago, would have been better than what we’ve seen from Tepper’s meddling. 
 

Now I’m onboard something else that will not happen and that is offer to ship a fifth and Jack Plummer to the Browns for Shedeur. Either way, they will be the 3rd/scout team QB with the difference being that Shedeur could develop into an NFL starter on an extremely friendly deal that could result in the ability to build out a core of talent on this team. 
 

We’ve also seen what Canales can do with at minimum, NFL QB traits. 

We would have to offer a first to get another team to take Jack Plummer

[CRA]

9 hours ago, Seltzer said:

Im not on the field so I have no frame of reference except for what I see and read, but every single NFL coach I've heard says joint practices provide the very best reps for evaluation they can get for a QB in the preseason.

I mean, every single team does joint practices, and probably at least half dont even play their guys in preseason. That alone speaks volume about what coaches (who's jobs are on the line), actually value. I mean JJ MCCarthy missed his entire rookie season, and yet the Vikings staff feels like joint practices are going to prepare him for the regular season, even after a year off completely from football.

And no, the QBs are getting taken to the ground in joint practices, but it is full speed. Guys are able to get live reps against other starters in real game environments, and in a much more structured & in-depth way, than the arbitrary nature of games. 

I think you are underselling the intensity & quality of these joint practices. Coaches wouldn't rave about them across the board if they weren't valuable.

I know its not the exact same, but I think coaches would rather have 40 reps at full game speed but no tackling with a much lower injury risk than 20 reps at full speed & tackling with a much higher injury risk. I understand your point about not getting hit and the psychological effect, but these QBs have been hit their whole lives. I think its more about playing at game speed and getting the timing down with receivers, which joint practice allows.

In the end, we're all trying to extract value out of the really limited data we're able to see as fans.

It's undeniably frustrating regardless of the context to watch a shitty game like that. And its 3 weeks until we really get to see what this team will be like.

So until then, we have to trust the coaches to make the right calls, and I understand why anyone could or would be skeptical of that given how things have went for a long time now.

Joint practice reps are still 100% a different animal than live game reps.   Apples and oranges.  Carolina displays that year after year. 

I’m not underselling joint practice reps.  They serve a purpose.  And that is merely different humans to rep against.   So it’s a different tests.  

But if your QB wears a red shirt.  You make plays that don’t actually exist in real football because the pass rush isn’t real. Turnovers get wiped….and you just keep going.  That’s not a game simulated environment nor tells you where your team is. 

It’s groundhogs day at this point.  And when the Panthers look like dog poo….our coaches go to the only talking well they got….but we looked okay in joint practices.  

You are underselling real reps.  Both matter.   This mantra that looking dysfunctional with the but we got some nice practice reps in started with Rhule and has been oversold ever since here in Carolina.

and we have weirdly and uniquely not repped our weak QBs enough going into seasons for some time.  Which makes no sense.  We treat our QBs like they are prime Peyton Manning and make excuses why they don’t need it.  They need them.  And we don’t need to be protecting weak QBs we need to be developing them and getting them ready for the opening weak half of this schedule (which is where you would find wins). 

2nd year in a row, BY will not have a preseason completion vs a starting D. That once again makes the worst team in pro sports unique.  Find a QB of his caliber where that exists? 

[frankw]

2 hours ago, Joe Bear said:

That’s a pretty stupid take for a moderator. It was a bad rookie season by any account but it wasn’t even close to the worst ever. Anyway, this team will never be good as long as it runs the 3-4.

Don't see the need to personally insult someone because they are highlighting unfortunate realities.

Now yes you could say he may have exaggerated literally the worst ever but the numbers say it was one of the 3 worst rookie seasons in several decades of statistical analysis so maybe stop trying to shoot the messenger and create enemies where there aren't any.

Edited Sunday at 12:12 PM by frankw

[Waldo]

The team is and remains a bottom dweller. On the flip side they are so bad that teams will play down to them again so there will be mirage games again this year that will feel more fun in another losing season. 

DM is meh at best, DC is soft and sloppy while needing a lot more experience and Evero remains the same overhyped trash he has been since Denver let him walk. At least Tepper has behaved well enough that when this crew earns a mass firing it won't look as bad as the last pooshow he created that gave us this 'improved' bottom dwelling crew. 

Well if I can't watch good football then I'm going to keep laughing at the clown show. Just another year under Tepper.

 

[CPcavedweller]

1 hour ago, therealmjl said:

We would have to offer a first to get another team to take Jack Plummer

lol maybe so

[CRA]

3 hours ago, Joe Bear said:

That’s a pretty stupid take for a moderator. It was a bad rookie season by any account but it wasn’t even close to the worst ever. Anyway, this team will never be good as long as it runs the 3-4.

maybe I could of added some disclaimer about this era of football.  But for me, that’s just a given.  I mean, Terry Bradshaw for example was playing in a different time and game.   

In this modern passing era, if you are talking the worst QB rookie season….that’s a convo that involves Bryce Young.  100% he is in that discussion.  

Stupid take? Bruh,  I got way wilder takes than Bryce Young’s horrific rookie season.