DJ Johnson, the end of the line

[Panthercougar68]

3 hours ago, Stumpy said:

I just did. Care to elaborate on what conclusions I'm supposed to draw?

DJ was drafted in 23 and Wilson was in the 24 draft…if he’s arguing that Dan should have taken Wilson in 24 in general word it better.

[kungfoodude]

6 hours ago, Beast_3000 said:

Fine with me there are other QB’s with just as much talent

I don't claim to know Manning's potential, other than being force fed that he is a generational talent that couldn't beat out a 5th round draft pick. 

I know that I have no intention of jumping on a "tank for *insert hype QB*" bandwagon in the near future. 

[shaqattaq]

On 8/17/2025 at 10:19 AM, BrianS said:

Look at Jeremy Chinn.  Evero inherited him and Chinn hardly played.  Chinn leaves us, goes to Washington and matches a career high in tackles for a playoff team.  Yes, I get the limitations with Chinn but I also understand the potential there.  A creative and talented DC should be able to tailor a role for that dude.

I watched the beginning of the Raiders game and Chinn was making plays. Came up with a big INT on Mac Jones.

On a side note, Ian Thomas still sucks at catching the ball.

[LinvilleGorge]

On 8/17/2025 at 10:19 AM, BrianS said:

I'm super curious about where you get the idea that he'll match scheme to talent.  He's NEVER done that in his career.  Look at Jeremy Chinn.  Evero inherited him and Chinn hardly played.  Chinn leaves us, goes to Washington and matches a career high in tackles for a playoff team.  Yes, I get the limitations with Chinn but I also understand the potential there.  A creative and talented DC should be able to tailor a role for that dude.

In fact, in his career as a DC, Evero has *never* improved a defense.  NEVER.  At every stop as DC, he's taken over a defense that regressed under his leadership.  In 2021, the Broncos are the #3 scoring defense.  In 2022, Evero takes over . . . and they fall to 14th.  So OBVIOUSLY we hire him!  He takes over our 19th ranked scoring defense and we turn into the 29th ranked scoring defense and then the 32nd ranked scoring defense in consecutive years.

Frankly, anything short of a top 15 defense should be the end of Evero here.  He's had three years now to bed in his system.  I acknowledge the injuries, but it's time we also acknowledge that the guy seems utterly incapable of fitting a system to his players or even putting together an average defense.  I hope he proves me wrong.  But it needs to be more than "Oh, we went from 32nd to 25th - WE IMPROVED!"

The baffling thing about Chinn is that he's clearly an in the box safety and when we played him as a primary deep safety and he predictably struggled we decided to move on. Then what do we do? We turn around and give an in the box FA safety big money and draft another one in the 4th. Make it make sense.

[Beast_3000]

2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The baffling thing about Chinn is that he's clearly an in the box safety and when we played him as a primary deep safety and he predictably struggled we decided to move on. Then what do we do? We turn around and give an in the box FA safety big money and draft another one in the 4th. Make it make sense.

In addition, there’s the train of thought by some to move him to linebacker. He was already small for a 4-3 linebacker, he definitely wouldn’t have worked in our 3-4 scheme. I was upset about losing Luvu, but I am in agreement with you, it was time for Chinn to move on.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, Beast_3000 said:

In addition, there’s the train of thought by some to move him to linebacker. He was already small for a 4-3 linebacker, he definitely wouldn’t have worked in our 3-4 scheme. I was upset about losing Luvu, but I am in agreement with you, it was time for Chinn to move on.

I think you misread what I was saying. I was criticizing the move. If we were wanting to load up on in the box safeties we already had one on the roster, instead we played him out of position then decided to move on only to spend big money on a similar player then draft another one. That makes no sense.

[LinvilleGorge]

I get that PFF isn't the end all be all but at least it's an apples vs. apples comparison...

Moehrig looks like he's elite in the box and a better blitzer but is an even bigger liability in coverage. Meanwhile, Chinn is on a 2 year $16.3M contract while Moehrig is on a 3 year $51M contract. We just keep falling in love with safeties from the '80s and '90s era of football.

[TheSpecialJuan]

Looks like DJ has a hip injury look for him to be put on IR 

[Dave Gettleman's Shorts]

2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I get that PFF isn't the end all be all but at least it's an apples vs. apples comparison...

Moehrig looks like he's elite in the box and a better blitzer but is an even bigger liability in coverage. Meanwhile, Chinn is on a 2 year $16.3M contract while Moehrig is on a 3 year $51M contract. We just keep falling in love with safeties from the '80s and '90s era of football.

Chinn's best role was covering TE/RB's and providing support in run defense

instead they had him covering slot receivers

[LinvilleGorge]

6 minutes ago, Dave Gettleman's Shorts said:

Chinn's best role was covering TE/RB's and providing support in run defense

instead they had him covering slot receivers

I've watched the Panthers do plenty of dumb things but playing a S/LB tweener best used as an in the box safety as a deep FS was right up there with some of the best.

And don't be surprised if we're about to do it again with Moehrig. LOL

[WUnderhill]

Supposed to be fighting tooth and nail for a roster spot, and he’s not practicing over some soreness? Says all you need to know.

[pantherclaw]

Move on from him already.  

 

Please.  

[Khyber53]

On 8/17/2025 at 12:20 AM, ClawOn said:

A bit of an aside but do you have any hope for Evero?  

Nope. He has completely washed that out for me over the last couple of seasons. We have not built a defense, he hasn't seemed to have developed any of the talent we've drafted or lured here. Our defense plays with lackluster effort many times and I've noticed that since Shaq was gone (after he was injured and all) that players were often out of place. Shaq appeared to be coaching on the field at times.

Honestly, I want to see us transition back to the 4-3. We've never successfully transitioned to the 3-4 and we've been trying hard to do it since Tepper took the reins.

 

[Bostonheelfish]

You guys are nuts. He can set an edge and plays the run well. We need that badly. He’s not a top tier starter but he can whoop a tight end, and that helps limit offensive schemes. He’s strong and pretty tenacious.