Josina Anderson: Panthers NOT trading Adam Thielen

[TD alt]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

AT has been very good for us, he may well be this season.

The idea of him being worth a 3rd round pick in trade value is lightspeed insane.

Well, they don't have to pay it. But to ask us to pay part of his relatively paltry salary, especially in light of his relatively recent solid play, is an insult.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, CPcavedweller said:

People aren't saying the Vikings would do that. What those of us who are saying this, are saying, is that is the only way. If the Vikings don't bite, they don't bite. They shouldn't bite.

But you never say never to that number. 

I see, this is a hypothetical.

Yeah, I mean I do agree with that. Why not ask high? We don't need to trade him.

[TD alt]

Give me a third, and I might think about paying a little of his salary. A fourth? Nah. They're the ones trying to get to the dance.

[ProcessBlue2]

Maybe it’s just me but JA is wrong a lot. 
 

It makes perfect sense for both teams tbh.

[Davidson Deac II]

Paying his salary would take a first IMO. And since there is no chance of that happening, he will remain a Panther.

[PantherGuy]

2 hours ago, Candler Cat said:

They were willing to give a fourth

 

Per rumor mill

That's it? fug that poo

[ClawOn]

43 minutes ago, TD alt said:

Give me a third, and I might think about paying a little of his salary. A fourth? Nah. They're the ones trying to get to the dance.

Yep if they want him it would be at Dan's price who I suspect is more optimistic on the season's outcome than the Huddle.

[hepcat]

Yea let’s trade away the only consistent pass catcher on the team that’s a great idea 

[Gipetto]

This is not madden. You dont just trade away your most reliable pass catcher. Young qbs need vets that will always be where they're supposed to be

[kungfoodude]

6 hours ago, hepcat said:

Yea let’s trade away the only consistent pass catcher on the team that’s a great idea 

 

2 hours ago, Gipetto said:

This is not madden. You dont just trade away your most reliable pass catcher. Young qbs need vets that will always be where they're supposed to be

Well he is likely in the last season or two of his career. Obtaining a 3rd round pick(or higher) that could be used for a young two deep player would be wise in the long term.

I would bristle if it was a 4th or lower just because you are likely talking about a non-contributor in the long term versus a value guy in the short term. 

We do have to keep in mind that AT is a very old, valuable player on a bad team. He isn't going to continue to be effective by the time this team gets good.

[toldozer]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

 

Well he is likely in the last season or two of his career. Obtaining a 3rd round pick(or higher) that could be used for a young two deep player would be wise in the long term.

I would bristle if it was a 4th or lower just because you are likely talking about a non-contributor in the long term versus a value guy in the short term. 

We do have to keep in mind that AT is a very old, valuable player on a bad team. He isn't going to continue to be effective by the time this team gets good.

They also have two guys that by all accounts they like to replace him in renfrow and horn. Thielen is just as likely to get hurt as Renfrow is and Id rather see what Renfrow can do this year so we can plan for the next 3 years with him in the slot or focus on Horn Jr if he can't hack it 

[CRA]

13 hours ago, carpanfan96 said:

Panthers reportedly asked for a third and the Vikings final offer was a 4th. 

Should have taken that 4th. 

Big picture though, the entire thing from paying him out of retirement, to almost dealing him, etc. just sort of highlights how this org front office really lacks a plan or vision.

we live in 3 WR sets.  I’d take a 4th and getting Coker reps as a win for a team that needs to be all in on developing and building.  

I get the security aspect for BY…but developing other players outweighs the BY emphasis at this stage for me.  AT is meaningless going forward and BY carries decent odds of being meaningless too. 

AT also isn’t diverse enough to play wide.  Running the young big 3 also lets you rotate all of the big 3 into the slot while always keep 2 of them wide 

[PadresPanthersFan]

A lot of people imo are over valuing thielen. A 3rd round pick for a 35 year old wr 3/4 with 1 year on his contract and an injury history?

Getting a 4th for him would be a coup. We got a pretty good young qb for less ( that we wasted) 

[Khyber53]

Let's be completely honest about this...

Our WR room is AT and a bunch of question marks. Thielen is the only guy we know who knows the route tree completely, understands play calls and can regularly get open/beat close coverage when necessary. He's long in the tooth, isn't the speediest guy on the field but he plays like a pro, starting level wide receiver.

Xavier, last season looked great at first, but man he kind of petered out down the stretch and would disappear in a number of games. He wasn't reliable on routes or getting open and where he was supposed to be a king at contested catches, he often looked a bit intimidated. I'm not saying he's a washout by any means. Anyone with his size, speed and catch radius could make it big in the NFL, but can he do it? He'll need to show more than he did in the preseason before we can really rely on him as a WR1 or WR2. 

Coker was a revelation last season, he really played way above his (non)draft status and flashed multiple times in games and was a steady performer. What we need to find out, though, is whether he was benefiting from being an unknown that wasn't getting maximum effort from opposing DBs or if he was just outworking and outhustling everyone on the field. We should find out this season. We sure as hell didn't find out much in the pre-season (from him or any receiver or QB for that matter). He's still a question mark, but I think he has the look of the real deal. He might be this generation's next Thielen.

Now, let's talk about Tet. High first round draft pick, first true WR off the board this year. Stellar career out west in college. Has the swagger of the WR1. And man, y'all are going to get mad about this but... he comes across as a mook. And in the pre-season he performed, well, not so great against poor opposition of second and third stringers. Yeah, he caught that one moonshot ball in the first game but really, nothing else lighting the place up. Rookie endzone drop in that game, too. He's still young and adjusting, I'm sure, but I was hoping to see something of a breakthrough kind of guy. I'm still looking.

Hunter Renfro? Gosh, I hope he can make the team and make a comeback to his old form. It would be such a great story. But maybe neither one of those happens. We won't know until Tuesday and then, if he makes it past there it could be weeks.

So, TL;DR: AT is all we can bank on right now. We couldn't afford to let him go considering the number of unknowns we'd be throwing out there for our QB, who himself is still an unknown.

One thing to add: Our receivers coaching group has their work cut out for them. I hope they are up to the task, but the pre-season gave me little reason to believe in them.

And I really need something to believe in here in Carolina.