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Josina Anderson: Panthers NOT trading Adam Thielen


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26 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

The breaking news here is that Adam Thielen reportedly wants to return to Minnesota 

If that's truly the case, there goes the #Panthers leverage with Thielen digging his heels in
https://x.com/panthersanalyst/status/1960171457729986740?s=46&t=xeIgh_-Vr2aKxBkBJdfnKA

 

That’s his home.  And he will always be a Viking.  I bet once the talks started….AT was mentally done here 

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17 minutes ago, Aussie Tank said:

Bit of a dog act if hes trying to force his way out after we gave him a pay bump when we didn't need too

AT was ready to retire and go home…that was the front office’s first mistake.  
 

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13 minutes ago, CRA said:

That’s his home.  And he will always be a Viking.  I bet once the talks started….AT was mentally done here 

From what I understand, the talks have been going on for 4 days, maybe 5. Adam and his agent were reached out to because he needed to agree to a pay cut to go back to Minny. Which as far as I know, he's agreed to take a pay cut and wants to go back. 

It seems like either Adam, his wife or agent are leaking everything now because of how much him and his wife want to return to Minnesota. 

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Just now, carpanfan96 said:

From what I understand, the talks have been going on for 4 days, maybe 5. Adam and his agent were reached out to because he needed to agree to a pay cut to go back to Minny. Which as far as I know, he's agreed to take a pay cut and wants to go back. 

It seems like either Adam, his wife or agent are leaking everything now because of how much him and his wife want to return to Minnesota. 

Yeah it sounds like he's close to gone. Hope we get a reasonable return.  Definitely a player I'll miss. 

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Per Mike Kaye

Seemingly a nuanced situation. 

The #Panthers gave him a raise after he contemplated retirement earlier this offseason.

Felt like his entire summer was understated, even after taking a bunch of teammates to MIN before camp.

Can’t just give away the leading WR of the past two years, but he’s been a leader and good soldier throughout a couple of brutal seasons and there’s the human element of wanting to finish where he started and basically spent his entire life.

Plus, youth movement of four young wideouts added over past two years.

Don’t think it’s an easy outlook either way.

https://x.com/mike_e_kaye/status/1960173090068984217?s=46&t=xeIgh_-Vr2aKxBkBJdfnKA

 

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Not sure where you guys are getting your Information from.  

Adam wanted to come back to be a Panther, to help Bryce. To help this team. 

I'm not saying that he'd turn down a reunion with the Vikings, but to assume he's already gone in his mind, is a joke. 

This team would be a bigger joke to let him go, considering he is Bryce's number 1 target.  

He has a lot of value to this team. 

If the Vikings want to give up some major draft capital,  to good for Dan to turn down, fine.  

I'd hate to see this receiving core without him this season.  But yeah, let's ship him off. 

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The Vikings acquiring all these late round picks has me feeling like we're about to see another CMC situation play out here.

Trade a player we really like for the equivalent of what we want for them on the draft pick chart, but because of a bunch of late round picks instead of the one pick value we actually want.

Which will do the same thing in the end, nothing, because 6th and 7th round picks rarely work out to begin with, or we're just going to use them to move up 10 picks in the 3rd or 4th round to take another DJ Johnson

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2 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

Just need to trade him and get whatever we can.  

Why?  

No.

This isn't a situation of a player we want to trade because we have no use for them.  He's our starting slot WR, our leader of the young WR room, Bryce's safety option the last 2 years who he has good chemistry with.

If the Vikings didn't run into WR trouble, we'd never have been even considering trading him, so why in the world should we give him up for fair market value in a vacuum for Thielen and disregard what losing him off our roster will do for us this year?

A 5th round pick in 2026 is a negligible draft pick, especially with this season being so make or break for Bryce and Canales.

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24 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Why?  

No.

This isn't a situation of a player we want to trade because we have no use for them.  He's our starting slot WR, our leader of the young WR room, Bryce's safety option the last 2 years who he has good chemistry with.

If the Vikings didn't run into WR trouble, we'd never have been even considering trading him, so why in the world should we give him up for fair market value in a vacuum for Thielen and disregard what losing him off our roster will do for us this year?

A 5th round pick in 2026 is a negligible draft pick, especially with this season being so make or break for Bryce and Canales.

Because he won't be here next year, we aren't winning this year and we need to see if Renfrow or Horn can be that guy going forward. If Bryce isn't good enough to do poo without AT we need to find that out this year as well. I'm fine keeping him but his role needs to be slowly reduced throughout the year anyway so we know what we have for the future

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