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Bryce Young is a problem — what would you do if you were Dan Morgan?

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t96 Grand Master

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Just now, Joe Bear said:

That would be pretty stupid to willingly forego any potential return simply to have the personal satisfaction of firing a player you don't like. 

It's not personal satisfaction because I don't like him. It's sending a message to every player, coach, etc. that if you perform like absolute poo consistently you will lose your job, period, end of story no excuses and no draft pick pedigree, etc. will save it. The fact that we went into this season with Bryce being plan A, B and C at the most important position on the team says it all about the culture of this team currently. Need a HARD reset, ASAP. But Morgan and Canales won't be the ones to do that.

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3 minutes ago, Joe Bear said:

That would be pretty stupid to willingly forego any potential return simply to have the personal satisfaction of firing a player you don't like. 

Realistically, though... what return.

Honestly, I'd be willing to give up the 6th round pick we could hope to get for Bryce at this point just to see Tepper take the big bite of humble pie that releasing Bryce would be. For the long-term health of the franchise, you must admit that visible display of Tepper admitting that he fugged up and should stay out of football decisions would be monumental. 

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2 minutes ago, Captroop said:

If it weren't for the egos of the people who would have to make this decision, this would absolutely be the move.

But admitting you traded multiple firsts, and passed up on Stroud for a #1 overall pick that couldn't even play his way through 3 NFL seasons? That would take a level of humility that our brain trust are just not capable of. 

Yep so instead they double down on their stupidity and we all suffer. 

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If you bench him, you’re trotting in Dalton who was absolutely terrible after his first chunk yardage performance last season.  He has also had a lot of random injuries and is getting up there in age.

So you really just have to keep playing Bryce unless you’re willing to trade midseason. But if you make a trade for some mid backup talent, like let’s say Brandon Allen, it’s a sign you’re looking at the exits and you have to commit to being done with Bryce. 

So I say you ride him out.
 

Scenarios:

1-He has a unprecedented turnaround

2-He does pretty bad but never so awful that we can’t finish the year. Spirits stay aight until late in season. We trade him in the offseason for a late rounder. Draft or Sign our new QB (or both)

3-He does so bad, Dave loses the locker room and we need to make a drastic move. We bench, try Dalton, trade/sign a backup plan, he eventually gets cut if not traded

 

 

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1 minute ago, Captroop said:

Realistically, though... what return.

Honestly, I'd be willing to give up the 6th round pick we could hope to get for Bryce at this point just to see Tepper take the big bite of humble pie that releasing Bryce would be. For the long-term health of the franchise, you must admit that visible display of Tepper admitting that he fugged up and should stay out of football decisions would be monumental. 

Going 0-17 with or without Young is an entire pie, not a bite. Never turn down any return if it's the best return. 

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2 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I would not matter either way. 

If they sit him then he will get to meh again. It's motivation, time for thr team to gel with more competent play at QB and he is good in practice. That's how you end up with the dummies in charge picking up his 5th year option and us doing the exact same BS for 3 years in a row.

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3 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

A source familiar with the team’s decision to move on from an employee confirmed that Charlie Rock, the team’s football communications coordinator, is no longer with the organization.
https://x.com/dnewtonespn/status/1966148134440153196?s=46&t=xeIgh_-Vr2aKxBkBJdfnKA

The team didn't fire him. He fired himself. Kind of like -- never mind.

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11 minutes ago, Waldo said:

If they sit him then he will get to meh again. It's motivation, time for thr team to gel with more competent play at QB and he is good in practice. That's how you end up with the dummies in charge picking up his 5th year option and us doing the exact same BS for 3 years in a row.

I do not think they will pick up his option as it stands right now. If he's benched again he will have to compete for a backup role if he's not traded before he reaches the end of his rookie contract. 

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I do not think they will pick up his option as it stands right now. If he's benched again he will have to compete for a backup role if he's not traded before he reaches the end of his rookie contract. 

If he is benched I would expect a repeat of last year. As for what those people will do well they set it up again this year thr same way so it shows intent of repeating. If I see Young sat then I fear we are going down that road. Nothing the people in charge has done this year leads me to think anything has really changed...yet

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