Bryce Young is a problem — what would you do if you were Dan Morgan?

[Hoenheim]

There's going to be at least 50 bryce threads before game 2 it seems

[csx]

I would start another tread about It.

[Jon Snow]

27 minutes ago, Waldo said:

If they did then Dalton wouldn't be here. We knew but your making a leap I can't follow yet eith them. Also hard to justify a year 3 for people basically tanking in your scenario. IdK just saying

I'm sure everyone thought he wouldn't revert back to square one at least. And I'm sure they knew that there wasn't a savior on the street to bring in just incase. This was always the plan. Young just extended the plan but Young extended it by playing well for a few games at the end of last season. He will not be afforded that luxury this season. He has to prove it wasn't a fluke ALL season this year or it's over. Andy is out after this season so whatever happens now will be up to Young.

[Shotgun]

1 hour ago, Waldo said:

If they sit him then he will get to meh again. It's motivation, time for thr team to gel with more competent play at QB and he is good in practice. That's how you end up with the dummies in charge picking up his 5th year option and us doing the exact same BS for 3 years in a row.

At this point, I don't want anymore fools gold from Young. He either needs to be in the MVP conversation  (lol) or I want to get blown out every game until he is off the team. Our front office just isn't bright enough to handle anything in between.

[Khyber53]

Yeah, I've been torn up all week about this.

And I'm going to be honest, you and I don't know poo about what is going on with the team. Are they losing the locker room? Not seeing anything from the players about that, just seeing it on forums like this. Are they concerned? Yeah, I'd think that would be a reasonable assumption. Are they rallying around Bryce? Yeah, that I'm seeing from the stuff we see of the players. Is some of it a bit drummed up, quite possibly. Is some of it genuine care and belief in their teammate, yeah most definitely.

What is Morgan going to do?

Hell, that was just week 1. And week one is often a liar. Once in a while it tells the truth (and that sure was an ugly one to tell last Sunday). Most often, it's just what it is. Half the teams that played in week one lost. Straight down the middle. Sometimes it was a close game, sometimes it was a blowout. We got punched in the face, had our lunch money stolen and Jacksonville kissed our girlfriend. 

Me, I saw a team that wasn't up to speed yet. We were playing like this was the fourth pre-season game like we used to have.

We're going to learn a lot about Bryce, this team, our coaching and team management after this week's game. It's against the Cardinals, a team that has always been one of those benchmarks for it. Beat them and good things happen (remember that killer game Julius Peppers had against them), lose and it often starts the fast slide to the bottom again (sadly, that playoff game with Jake...). Right now, the Cardinals have their Bryce Young, except their guy still has a better PR department. They have a meh-ish defense. They have a star WR that is underperforming and was possibly over-drafted. They don't have many stars to speak of and dwell around 3rd-4th place in their division on a regular basis. In other words, they are pretty much on par with us. And they are a forgotten team as well, playing games in obscurity.

So, yeah, we're going to learn the tale of the season this weekend. And honestly, if we lose like we just did or worse, and I was Dan Morgan, I'd be working on polishing up that resume`. 

[Waldo]

7 minutes ago, Shotgun said:

At this point, I don't want anymore fools gold from Young. He either needs to be in the MVP conversation  (lol) or I want to get blown out every game until he is off the team. Our front office just isn't bright enough to handle anything in between.

Let me put it this way, Im not buy any master plans from this crew. The plan still appears to be the other players on offense will carry him. No matter how much they put into the offense that's going to be tough to pull off. If you can't do something good then there is always something stupid to do. That seems like this crew. Insert Evero into why bring back Dalton and it all points to they thought the red flags were false. That's all I got 

[Waldo]

27 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I'm sure everyone thought he wouldn't revert back to square one at least. And I'm sure they knew that there wasn't a savior on the street to bring in just incase. This was always the plan. Young just extended the plan but Young extended it by playing well for a few games at the end of last season. He will not be afforded that luxury this season. He has to prove it wasn't a fluke ALL season this year or it's over. Andy is out after this season so whatever happens now will be up to Young.

2 years of starting out looking like poo should have at least had that option on the table. It's going to be interesting to see what they do over the next few weeks. Slow start, regular NFL injuries, the D looking like hot poo again...the heat is on. Im just not buying the master plan with Dalton and Evero being brought back. It's the fly in the 'they were expecting something different from last year' take while doing the same poo as last year.  

[frankw]

24 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

Yeah, I've been torn up all week about this.

And I'm going to be honest, you and I don't know poo about what is going on with the team. Are they losing the locker room? Not seeing anything from the players about that, just seeing it on forums like this. Are they concerned? Yeah, I'd think that would be a reasonable assumption. Are they rallying around Bryce? Yeah, that I'm seeing from the stuff we see of the players. Is some of it a bit drummed up, quite possibly. Is some of it genuine care and belief in their teammate, yeah most definitely.

What is Morgan going to do?

Hell, that was just week 1. And week one is often a liar. Once in a while it tells the truth (and that sure was an ugly one to tell last Sunday). Most often, it's just what it is. Half the teams that played in week one lost. Straight down the middle. Sometimes it was a close game, sometimes it was a blowout. We got punched in the face, had our lunch money stolen and Jacksonville kissed our girlfriend. 

Me, I saw a team that wasn't up to speed yet. We were playing like this was the fourth pre-season game like we used to have.

We're going to learn a lot about Bryce, this team, our coaching and team management after this week's game. It's against the Cardinals, a team that has always been one of those benchmarks for it. Beat them and good things happen (remember that killer game Julius Peppers had against them), lose and it often starts the fast slide to the bottom again (sadly, that playoff game with Jake...). Right now, the Cardinals have their Bryce Young, except their guy still has a better PR department. They have a meh-ish defense. They have a star WR that is underperforming and was possibly over-drafted. They don't have many stars to speak of and dwell around 3rd-4th place in their division on a regular basis. In other words, they are pretty much on par with us. And they are a forgotten team as well, playing games in obscurity.

So, yeah, we're going to learn the tale of the season this weekend. And honestly, if we lose like we just did or worse, and I was Dan Morgan, I'd be working on polishing up that resume`. 

I can get with much of what you're saying here. But I also would say although Kyler Murray is roughly around the same height as Young (he's taller sadly) he is physically a much different QB. And he has a much higher career completion percentage. I mean it is not controversial to say he is a superior passer and probably it isn't all that close. We just need to be honest with ourselves at this point in time in Bryce Young's third NFL season as a starter.

For further clarification. Bryce Young has one game with 300 or more passing yards. Kyler has 15 in his career.

Edited 3 hours ago by frankw

[bythenbrs]

2 hours ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

A source familiar with the team’s decision to move on from an employee confirmed that Charlie Rock, the team’s football communications coordinator, is no longer with the organization.
https://x.com/dnewtonespn/status/1966148134440153196?s=46&t=xeIgh_-Vr2aKxBkBJdfnKA

Well, someone had to take a bullet for the fiasco in Jacksonville.  I’m just not sure that ‘football communications coordinator’ sends that message.

[csx]

They arent going to do anything after 1 game besides hopefully gameplan better. Start serious scouting efforts

Edited 3 hours ago by csx

[Move the Panthers to Raleigh]

1 hour ago, OldhamA said:

Interestingly very few have proposed a solution - they've just reiterated that the current Front Office won't do anything (which I agree with). Here's my answer:

 

Identifying the Problem

It’s becoming increasingly clear to most Panthers fans: Bryce Young is holding this team back. In a quarterback-driven league, we’re stuck with one who not only limits the playbook due to his physical constraints, but also stunts the offense with his inability to process and execute routine plays.

This isn’t a bare-bones roster anymore. The front office has invested heavily in the offense:

• Offensive Line: One recent first-round pick and roughly 33% of our total Salary Cap
• Wide Receivers: Two recent first-round picks
• Running Backs: One recent second-rounder, one recent fourth-rounder, plus Hubbard and Dowdle

And let’s not forget the two first-round picks (and D.J. Moore) spent to acquire Young himself.

 

The Solution

We need to be proactive and move on from Bryce Young - immediately. Continuing to start him means writing off the season, which neither the GM, coaching staff, nor fans can afford. There’s simply too much invested in this offense to let it flounder under a quarterback who isn’t elevating the unit.

I’d explore cost-effective trade options for backup QBs around the league to staunch the bleeding. Dalton and Hooker aren’t viable starters. I'd re-evaluate in the offseason to see where we stand - and consider the Draft and Free Agency if the need arises. 

 

Identifying Value

Take Sam Howell, for example. The Vikings traded him and a 2026 sixth-round pick to the Eagles for a 2026 fifth and a 2027 seventh. That’s a low-risk deal for a QB who threw for 3,946 yards, 23 TDs, and 23 INTs in his lone starting season.

 

Potential Targets

Tier 1 – Younger QBs with upside

• Tanner McKee
• Malik Willis
• Anthony Richardson*
• Trey Lance

Tier 2 – Veteran or stopgap options

• Gardner Minshew
• Mac Jones
• Aidan O’Connell
• Davis Mills

 

What to Do with Young

Ideally, I’d include Young in a trade package if possible. If not, I’m fine with sitting him until the offseason and then exploring trade or cut options. His value is low now, but continuing to start him only makes it worse.

 

This team deserves better than what we’ve seen so far. The pieces are in place—we just need a quarterback who gives them a fair chance to compete. 

I'd argue his value is at rock bottom currently.

 

And hell no to all those QBs you listed.

 

Sorry, man. The tank is here. Embrace it for the 2026 #1

[Khyber53]

35 minutes ago, frankw said:

I can get with much of what you're saying here. But I also would say although Kyler Murray is roughly around the same height as Young (he's taller sadly) he is physically a much different QB. And he has a much higher career completion percentage. I mean it is not controversial to say he is a superior passer and probably it isn't all that close. We just need to be honest with ourselves at this point in time in Bryce Young's third NFL season as a starter.

For further clarification. Bryce Young has one game with 300 or more passing yards. Kyler has 15 in his career.

Rather than his physical stats, I was kinda alluding to the fact that Kyler hasn't lived up to the hype either. Although, he has had some modest success for short stints.

The thing is, both teams could have probably had the same success rates with third round picks as QBs over first rounders. Yanno?

[frankw]

4 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

Rather than his physical stats, I was kinda alluding to the fact that Kyler hasn't lived up to the hype either. Although, he has had some modest success for short stints.

The thing is, both teams could have probably had the same success rates with third round picks as QBs over first rounders. Yanno?

Yeah Kyler definitely hasn't lived up to billing. But this is a tough league. If a guy doesn't want greatness there's nothing you can do. But even the guys who don't want that and spend their days playing video games instead of studying film can shine brighter more often than someone who is just physically outmatched altogether. Unfortunately we have learned this in real time.

But I agree entirely about first overall picks in general. You don't need to be in that slot to get a decent starting QB. That's another tough lesson the Panthers are learning.

Anywho. We'll see how our head coach has his team prepared this Sunday. I just want to stop looking horrible early in the season when everything is still at stake. These late season runs when we are already eliminated do nothing for me and they have clearly done nothing for our team culture as previously suggested.

[CRA]

1 hour ago, Khyber53 said:

 

Hell, that was just week 1. And week one is often a liar.

This is true.  But I don't think you can really do that with Bryce.  Week 1 was extremely consistent with what Bryce has been each season entering a year and overall as a QB. 

I think the real liar is just the anomaly week 18 game last year.  Without that one random game.......Bryce Young's career to date really isn't really debatable at all.  He doesn't belong on the field.   That's at best a backup.  The one game doing a LOT of lifting given how many other games are out there.