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8 minutes ago, CRA said:

and I think you are blind to the one FACTOR they all have in common minus Bryce....they all have MUCH better physical tools to play NFL QB. 

Bryce is a unicorn.  And not the Cam end of the unicorn spectrum.  The bad/weak side. 

I think it is easy to spend too much time worrying about the physical tools, or lack thereof. I suppose Cam spoiled everyone here.

Manning didn't have the physical tools - maybe height - but nothing else. Brees didn't, Murray doesn't, etc. 

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39 minutes ago, bandu said:

i see it now 

i just don't think people stop & truly see what we have invested in Bryce Young as a #1 overall pick .anytime you draft a #1 overall pick they should be almost ready to start from day one not just in football but any sport or you should not draft them in the first place with the #1 overall pick. if you know beforehand  it's going to take years to develop them into maybe a good Qb then that's not only a huge red flag but also a player you take a flyer on in the latter rounds 

I think it should be obvious by now that Young was over drafted. You cannot always equate investment to ability. Its not the players fault the team thinks they are worth more than they actually are. I think you are pointing the finger in the wrong direction. 

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4 minutes ago, cranky said:

I think it is easy to spend too much time worrying about the physical tools, or lack thereof. I suppose Cam spoiled everyone here.

Manning didn't have the physical tools - maybe height - but nothing else. Brees didn't, Murray doesn't, etc. 

This is a straight lie. Height and weight aren't the only tools. Prime Manning and Brees had plenty of arm and were actual legit savants at reading defenses and "processing". Murray has a cannon and makes Young look like he's running in mud by comparison.

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9 minutes ago, cranky said:

Of course not but neither could Brees and I doubt Murray with the Cardinals could do a sneak either. No doubt, he does play with some limitations. That doesn't make him bad

 

Kyler Murray is built like a little tiny tank.  

Brees was sort of like Tom Brady.  He went about it different, but the Brees QB sneak was sort of a signature move.  Really high conversion rate. 

 

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Just now, cranky said:

Then you are making my argument for me that he is a big part of the problem here.

the problem with hiring an established head coach with an impressive resume is that he is going to get his "his guy " at Qb .their carrers are on the line & have to much money to lose at stake . so of course they do not  want to take on a failed project like fixing an undersized Qb such as Bryce Young 

simply put you want a better head coach you have to also get a better Qb ...just saying

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1 hour ago, tukafan21 said:

This is literally all it ever comes down to for me with Bryce.

He doesn't have a single physical trait at the average level of a starting QB in the NFL, it's why the draft pick itself just never made any sense to me.  Picking Bryce (for any team) was always going to be betting on him becoming the biggest outlier in the history of the sport/position because of his "super brain" he sold everyone on.

Just that FACT alone should have kept him out of any discussion for a #1 overall pick, let alone a massive trade up to go get him.  

So then, if that super brain hasn't figured it out by Year 3, it's pretty clear that he never will, and when that's the case, his physical limitations just don't allow him to be a successful long term solution.

Yeah. I mean he has no above average physical anything, and the bad mechanics and footwork weaken an already borderline arm.

I was so baffled and frustrated with the narrative that had him as top pick. 
 

As far as going forward, you have a stack of 25 games where he was bad and over here, maybe 5 games where he was good, one where he was damned good. One. 
Moving forward with him is being completely blind to reason. 

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well, since I looked it up (this is dated 2023 so it lacks the tush push/Hurts update).  

Tom Brady, Drew Brees and Cam Newton are the best QB sneakers of the past 20 years.  

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/evolution-of-the-qb-sneak-how-we-got-here-and-what-history-tells-us-about-the-tush-pushs-future-in-the-nfl/

While known more for his prolific passing, Drew Brees was also highly successful when it came to QB sneaks. A former Super Bowl MVP, Brees has the third-highest conversion percentage and the third-most third/fourth-and-1 conversions by a quarterback since 2000 despite retiring after the 2020 season. His 73 conversions in those situations trails only Brady and Cam Newton (108) and is ahead of Josh Allen (64), Hurts (56) and fellow former Super Bowl MVP Joe Flacco (56). 

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9 minutes ago, cranky said:

I think it is easy to spend too much time worrying about the physical tools, or lack thereof. I suppose Cam spoiled everyone here.

Manning didn't have the physical tools - maybe height - but nothing else. Brees didn't, Murray doesn't, etc. 

Manning had a hell of an arm. Bryce looks like he's putting everything his body has to offer into throws that go 15 yards through the air. And the height matters, as others have mentioned dude is jumping on half his throws.

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Something to learn from these QBs, there's an option to build our roster & org first, then find a QB when it's at least an average unit. These college QBs are awful when they come into the NFL, it's clearer than ever that there's just no need to learn coverages or read defenses in college. So you let them go fail for another organization, then when they are "done" with them (because they failed them), you can go grab them for pennies on the dollar and they'll be productive for you because they'll actually know how to operate the position at an NFL level.

Current crop of QBs that are trending to "bust" territory that we can target: CJ Stroud, Spencer Rattler, Trevor Lawrence, Anthony Richardson, Will Levis, Trey Lance

 

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