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Legette “I can’t say I sat back and learned anything”


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10 minutes ago, strato said:

It is a noticeable thing. Patience, so many had it for Bryce. Fresh out for everybody else. Seems like. 
You can’t say he has looked good, but to bury him with this QB and now everyone is calling the limited playbook offense he is in shitty p and the coach is shitty (which would be something that affects a green over drafted WR), and no one I can recall except you had mentioned the old way of 3 years. 
I don’t know who is right. Just saying I agree with you about patience being so thin. 

There's a large portion of the fanbase who wanted McConkey and XL could never satisfy and now the Bryce apologists are using the he has no one to throw to defense they've been using since before the draft.  I don't know if XL will be a serviceable WR at this point but I'm willing to give him a chance with competent QB play

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I put his drafting on Bryce and (apparently) his dad and the urgency the team felt to make Bryce work out. 
People said AT and Ladd were suited for the same position, I always thought that the team was not looking to this year or next, they had to fill the three WR positions for that season to eliminate excuses, prop Bryce up, that whole thought process. 

I think it was all connected. like a spider web. All the moves. The Brooks pick too. 

I didn’t scout any of those guys and don’t watch much college ball at all, so had no opinion on the players. Just on the motivations that brought us to those choices. 

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12 minutes ago, amcoolio said:

Christ. We don’t have patience for XL because he isn’t trying. He’s not hustling on the field, making lazy attempt at catches, and not blocking at all. Bryce may suck but he’s at least trying. 

I saw that too. And am fine with giving him an instructional benching. That is this year right now.

But all offseason how many damned times did we hear about that drop in Philly? 

And I look at him being all mopey and think I bet he snuck on social media to see what people were saying and saw that got himself into a crisis over it. He isn’t a real smart guy, and seems sensitive. 
Also I will be one of the last people to take up for a loafer. I saw it too. 

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14 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

There's a large portion of the fanbase who wanted McConkey and XL could never satisfy and now the Bryce apologists are using the he has no one to throw to defense they've been using since before the draft.  I don't know if XL will be a serviceable WR at this point but I'm willing to give him a chance with competent QB play

Truthfully if we had drafted Ladd he would probably be disgruntled by now. All the passes thrown at the ground the hospital balls the poor at best ball placement to the sideline and the distinct lack of legitimate downfield passes. Yeah folks are being certainly quite optimistic to think he would be lighting it up here.

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28 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

There's a large portion of the fanbase who wanted McConkey and XL could never satisfy and now the Bryce apologists are using the he has no one to throw to defense they've been using since before the draft.  I don't know if XL will be a serviceable WR at this point but I'm willing to give him a chance with competent QB play

The NFL is a performance and results based league. XL has done absolutely nothing to be given the benefit of the doubt, crappy QB play from Bryce notwithstanding. 

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Ladd had a great rookie season.  Looks like he is starting to come back down this year.  This is with a solid QB and a solid HC who is known to make his QBs look even better.  This year Ladd is averaging around 40 yards a game and has 0 TDs.  He also was injury prone in college.  If he was a Panther he would probably be injured now or not playing nearly as well as he did last year.  You can't just pick players that are succeeding with other franchises and assume they will be doing the same here. 

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46 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Ladd had a great rookie season.  Looks like he is starting to come back down this year.  This is with a solid QB and a solid HC who is known to make his QBs look even better.  This year Ladd is averaging around 40 yards a game and has 0 TDs.  He also was injury prone in college.  If he was a Panther he would probably be injured now or not playing nearly as well as he did last year.  You can't just pick players that are succeeding with other franchises and assume they will be doing the same here. 

And it’s funny Q. Johnson for the chargers was straight ass his first couple of years and now he’s turned it on. 

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7 minutes ago, Panthercougar68 said:

And it’s funny Q. Johnson for the chargers was straight ass his first couple of years and now he’s turned it on. 

They have a great HC over there.  I don't know if he was using us for leverage or not, but we sure as hell should have entertained the idea.  

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5 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

They have a great HC over there.  I don't know if he was using us for leverage or not, but we sure as hell should have entertained the idea.  

Tepper literally didnt return his calls, he was personally calling tepper himself and Tepper was like "Im good".  What a fuging doofus.

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On 10/1/2025 at 5:42 PM, TarHeel69 said:

That's a man looking to get traded out of this poo show.  I can't blame him. 

You seem to distance his performance from what you call a "poo show."  He is a big reason why it is a "poo show."  So he will not be traded out of it.  He will take it, at least in part, with him.

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