Where do you fall on the Bryce Young spectrum?

[Khyber53]

Option 2. Winning keeps the door open. Simple as that, just like with any QB.

I don't care what the stats line is. I care about wins and losses.

Gunslinger, Point Guard, Game Manager, Athletic Freak, Pocket Passer, Aging Vet... whatever. Get the win, keep the starting QB job. Do it consistently and stay competitive in the playoffs and you are, by definition a franchise QB. And those guys don't develop overnight. 

It's all about the wins and getting to the playoffs. 

Rings... well, those are rarer than people think.

[outlaw4]

I'm in the, "Whatever decision the team makes, it will end up being the wrong one" camp.

[ForJimmy]

16 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

I sorta get it, but I'm keeping this as is.  

3rd option is where you sound to be.  It can be opened.  Don't see enough disparity between the two/would only muddy the poll.  

I picked 3rd but I think it's still open until the end of the season.  I was kind of between 2 and 3 as well.  

[strato]

I never wanted him. Have said why plenty.
Mistake. Major mistake. 
 

But I am not completely unreasonable and went with the door is closed barring a major turnaround. 
 

I mean without a doubt turnaround. And not the Bryce fans bar for without a doubt, (they are there now) but my criteria. 
That means no opening quarter meltdowns no ridiculously bad ball security. In control and Getting those plays off and succeeding. 
His worst game still needs to have a redeeming series or two and some plays are still made. 
 A sub par game still is competitive and doesn’t sink the team. We might still win (his normal/good game now).
And those need to be rare. His normal game needs to actually show some real deal NFL ability. It needs to be good. And his great games need to rock. 

Edited 2 hours ago by strato

[PNW_PantherMan]

4 minutes ago, outlaw4 said:

I'm in the, "Whatever decision the team makes, it will end up being the wrong one" camp.

The real Panthers answer.

[GoobyPls]

I think the door is open, I also think if he ever gets with a Sean Payton type coach he will put up monster numbers. Right now they are trying to fit a square peg into a round hole with Canales offense, and the offense is still functioning. If you look at Jayden Daniels DC is running his college offense, they don’t ask him to be something he’s not. Same with Bo Nix in Denver they threw more screens and half field reads than anyone last year.

Bryce does little things QBs his size never do. Someone posted a chart of QBs 6ft and under and Bryce laps them in throws over the middle of the field, he also takes way more snaps under center than all those QBs, he’s way more willing to stand in the pocket and take a hit than all those QBs.

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, GoobyPls said:

I think the door is open, I also think if he ever gets with a Sean Payton type coach he will put up monster numbers. Right now they are trying to fit a square peg into a round hole with Canales offense, and the offense is still functioning. If you look at Jayden Daniels DC is running his college offense, they don’t ask him to be something he’s not. Same with Bo Nix in Denver they threw more screens and half field reads than anyone last year.

Bryce does little things QBs his size never do. Someone posted a chart of QBs 6ft and under and Bryce laps them in throws over the middle of the field, he also takes way more snaps under center than all those QBs, he’s way more willing to stand in the pocket and take a hit than all those QBs.

I mean this is some...........I mean woah.

[strato]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

I mean this is some...........I mean woah.

How many comps even are there for him?  
Brees is not. 
Flutie? I struggle to get a 1 to 1. 

[kungfoodude]

36 minutes ago, Luciu5 said:

He has shown he can pull off some high end throws and be clutch in some situations. He has been really inconsistent and turnovers are his biggest issue. I think his turnovers are mostly happenning due to his size and not being able to see the field clearly in a condensed pocket.

I think he will be an NFL starter in this league for awhile if he can find the right situation and staff. I am not certain if Canales can be that guy for Bryce, but we have seen some positive signs with this, such as week 18 last year and week 6 this year.

I don't put much stock in year 1. It seems like that coaching staff was a mess and I don't know if they just didn't want Bryce, but I get the impression they didn't even try to make it work with him.

The tl,dr version of this is simply, I think he has the potential to be a better player than Sam Darnold currently is. I think the most likely scenario is he finds success on another team.

I absolutely dunk all over Sam Darnold and will continue(unless he proves me wrong) to but Bryce has never at his best been as good as Darnold at his best. Bryce at his worst looks an awful lot like Darnold at his worst.

[PootieNunu]

I think most realistic fans realize if Bryce shits the bed this season it's over for him. 

He needs the team to win games now or he will be at the very least not the unquestioned starter next season. 

[kungfoodude]

27 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

Option 2. Winning keeps the door open. Simple as that, just like with any QB.

I don't care what the stats line is. I care about wins and losses.

Gunslinger, Point Guard, Game Manager, Athletic Freak, Pocket Passer, Aging Vet... whatever. Get the win, keep the starting QB job. Do it consistently and stay competitive in the playoffs and you are, by definition a franchise QB. And those guys don't develop overnight. 

It's all about the wins and getting to the playoffs. 

Rings... well, those are rarer than people think.

Yes but this is the Kyle Allen argument. The eye test for Allen was rough even during the "Baby GOAT" streak. To an extent Bryce is similar. The eye test isn't the best even in these wins. TO's, missed throws, missed reads, etc. However, he has definitely made some good to great throws too. They are just too few and far between 

[PappyMay]

I want him, just can’t pay a game manager big bucks.  Look at tua. Making 50 mil to flounder and can’t get much help because of his cap hit.

[PanthersNCSU]

Not a franchise changing guy, but there's only a handful of those in the league. 

His peak is probably a Top 12-15 QB with a great situation around him. Is that the answer you want? No, but is it better than some? Sure...but he's still got to get to that top end level on a consistent basis which seems highly unlikely. 

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, PappyMay said:

I want him, just can’t pay a game manager big bucks.  Look at tua. Making 50 mil to flounder and can’t get much help because of his cap hit.

Or even someone like Trevor Lawrence who isn't a game manager. Paying a mid to low end QB top 10 money is cap suicide.