Where do you fall on the Bryce Young spectrum?

[bigdog_10_2002]

I feel like Young lost a year with the Reich-Thomas Brown debacle in year one and that really hampered some growth he may have had. 
 

With that said, he’s played enough games for me to just not see a franchise qb. I think there is a path for him to be a serviceable qb with a strong running game, good offensive line, and good defense. He could probably be a qb that could win a division in the right circumstances.
 

But it’d be a firm no from me on giving him a big contract at this point without him elevating his play well above where he’s played for two and a half years so far. 
 

 

[PootieNunu]

13 minutes ago, fanpanther said:

i really cant think of a single time an nfl player has came out and ever said yeah that guy sucks even when the qbs completly suck

Richard Sherman talking about Crabtree....but yeah I dont ever remember a teammate trashing another teammate. 

[Cpt slay a ho]

Eh I’m still going to harp on the amount of sub 200 yard passing games he’s put up, he struggles consistently to reach that 200 yard amount week in and out 

again not his fault where he got drafted but no need to lower expectations just because of the investment we’ve put into him 

[T-Wazzle]

[cranky]

42 minutes ago, CRA said:

I mean, I don’t have to explain Brett Favre and Teddy Bridgewater were doing drastically different things with the football.   If someone doesn’t want to acknowledge that, no one convince them to see it 

Same with Bryce and basically every QB you named.  Bryce and Cam Newton flat out shouldn't  be judged by just cherry picking a random stat.  Convo is broader.  They played the position nothing alike.  You can also take completion % as another example.  Bryce’s should be drastically higher than a Cam in terms of completion % because of how they go about the pass game (pre injury Cam). 

every QB you named was aggressive with the ball (we ain’t talking ancient Brees here).  Bryce isn’t.  Not pulling numbers if you refuse to accept basics. 

Not cherry picking when I was simply addressing the point of too many ints and I see no reason why Bryces should be "drastically" higher especially given the fact that Newton had Steve Smith, Greg Olsen and Brad Lafell to throw to while Bryce had Theileln, Mingo, and Johnson. If anything, Bryce should have been worse but since you accuse me of cherry picking, I'll add this:

Newton completed 57.7 % of his passes with the Pro Bowl players; Young completed 60.9% even with inferior talent to throw to.

[bythenbrs]

5 hours ago, Bear Hands said:

That third is basically a closed but openable situation.

4th, full on closed and locked  

 

Is there a fifth option for welded shut and hermetically sealed?

[fanpanther]

38 minutes ago, cranky said:

Not cherry picking when I was simply addressing the point of too many ints and I see no reason why Bryces should be "drastically" higher especially given the fact that Newton had Steve Smith, Greg Olsen and Brad Lafell to throw to while Bryce had Theileln, Mingo, and Johnson. If anything, Bryce should have been worse but since you accuse me of cherry picking, I'll add this:

Newton completed 57.7 % of his passes with the Pro Bowl players; Young completed 60.9% even with inferior talent to throw to.

newton had horrible accuracy every agrees on that his athletic ability made up for it.  bryces accuracy from just watching is on par with newtons but newton had a way sttonger arm so would attempt alot more longer passes.  bryce attempts short passes for most part still has horrible accuracy and has prtty much 0 athletic ability to go with it

 

[AggieLean]

4 hours ago, *FreeFua* said:

Option 2 for me

He’s only 24 years old and this organization set him up to fail horribly from day 1

Seems like there may be a light at the end of tunnel all of a sudden but until I see this organization turn it around and see Bryce with a proper team around him I don’t want to see them ship him off 

I’m obviously on the other end of the spectrum, but I can respect this; especially coming from you. You have proven to know what you’re talking about 

[AggieLean]

54 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Eh I’m still going to harp on the amount of sub 200 yard passing games he’s put up, he struggles consistently to reach that 200 yard amount week in and out 

again not his fault where he got drafted but no need to lower expectations just because of the investment we’ve put into him 

This is my hang up, overall. It’s a struggle for him to get past 200 yards. I need to see more 300 yard games and a 400 yarder mixed in. He can’t do that. 

[CRA]

1 hour ago, cranky said:

Not cherry picking when I was simply addressing the point of too many ints and I see no reason why Bryces should be "drastically" higher especially given the fact that Newton had Steve Smith, Greg Olsen and Brad Lafell to throw to while Bryce had Theileln, Mingo, and Johnson. If anything, Bryce should have been worse but since you accuse me of cherry picking, I'll add this:

Newton completed 57.7 % of his passes with the Pro Bowl players; Young completed 60.9% even with inferior talent to throw to.

I get it,  but you then choose to compare that to other QBs…who largely attack the pass game vastly different than Bryce.   So you got to talk beyond the stat while having the convo.  

Bryce should have a high completion % given the way he attacks field vs how a young Cam did or a Jake.   Always going to the but the talent! ….does’t work at this point.   Bryce’s is very low and his bad throw % is also crazy high 

Bryce shouldn’t be a 60% QB and he should have low turnover % given he isn’t aggressively attacking downfield and doesn’t generate a lot of production. Bryce if he plays his style of ball well would have a very high comp% and low turnovers (that’s what he is supposed to be and isn’t).  Gunslingers, big play guys….should have a lower comp % and more turnovers than Bryce. 

[cranky]

4 minutes ago, CRA said:

I get it,  but you then choose to compare that to other QBs…who largely attack the pass game vastly different than Bryce.   So you got to talk beyond the stat while having the convo.  

Bryce should have a high completion % given the way he attacks field vs how a young Cam did or a Jake.   Always going to the but the talent! ….does’t work at this point.   Bryce’s is very low and his bad throw % is also crazy high 

Bryce shouldn’t be a 60% QB and he should have low turnover % given he isn’t aggressively attacking downfield and doesn’t generate a lot of production. Bryce if he plays his style of ball well would have a very high comp% and low turnovers (that’s what he is supposed to be and isn’t).  Gunslingers, big play guys….should have a lower comp % and more turnovers than Bryce. 

I disagree about the talent not making a difference. Last season, Bryce completed 77.4% of his passes to Theilen. He only completed 58.3% to Legette. The only difference is one is a better receiver / route runner than the other.

[cranky]

12 minutes ago, CRA said:

I get it,  but you then choose to compare that to other QBs…who largely attack the pass game vastly different than Bryce.....

Bree's is not known for attacking the field

 

[mrcompletely11]

6 minutes ago, cranky said:

Bree's is not known for attacking the field

 

Wut?

[raleigh-panther]

5 hours ago, strato said:

I can’t find the interview because I must not know their names. 
I’ll keep looking  

You would have had to sit him for the team. Locker room Didn’t that make 3 of 5 games he had imploded and put the team in a huge hole, pretty much single handedly?  

I saw the podcast too