Chicken or the Egg

[NAS]

Are the lack of deep passes due to Bryce or is this always the gameplan? 
 

 Even last year in second half we took more shots downfield and we expected that to continue with Bryce. 

Now, every game you hear Canales emphasize getting the ball out quickly and neutralizing the pass rush, protecting the beat up OL.

In this context, would it really matter to him who was standing back there as QB?   And if so, why?

[Navy_football]

11 minutes ago, NAS said:

Are the lack of deep passes due to Bryce or is this always the gameplan? 
 

 Even last year in second half we took more shots downfield and we expected that to continue with Bryce. 

Now, every game you hear Canales emphasize getting the ball out quickly and neutralizing the pass rush, protecting the beat up OL.

In this context, would it really matter to him who was standing back there as QB?   And if so, why?

100% matters if that's the game plan. Every QB isn't a dink and dunker. For instance Love couldn't help himself Sunday. He'd get antsy and just launch it deep into double or triple coverage. Does seem like Canales has adjusted to what Bryce likes though. 

[csx]

Chicken and Eggplant Parm

[Donald LaFell]

It’s too large of a sample size to blame coaching. Bryce has missed a lot of deep balls when he’s had the chance. 
 

Tetairoa seems to be a good match for him to put the ball in a contested spot near the sideline on a deeper shot but it seems like Bryce isn’t capable of dropping something in the bucket for a big play. To be fair we don’t have a deep threat like a Ginn in the past. 
 

 

[Jmac]

If the QB can't throw deep with any accuracy or velocity, this dictates the game plan. Plan for what he can succeed at.

[t96]

Even if Canales wants to win games by focusing on possession and ball control with more of a power run game and short passes, having an actual deep passing threat will make doing all of that much easier. And Bryce is not a deep passing threat, so teams don't really have to defend it. 

The best coaches do adjust to their players though, we've seen multiple years now of Andy Reid's elite offensive mind and Mahomes' elite arm be somewhat deliberately neutralized by their lack of receivers and OL (that's changed this year, clearly, now that their WRs are healthy and OL improved). The past 2 years they became more of a manage the game type offense and let the defense win. And it worked to the tune of a SB win and another appearance. 

[kungfoodude]

25 minutes ago, NAS said:

Are the lack of deep passes due to Bryce or is this always the gameplan? 
 

 Even last year in second half we took more shots downfield and we expected that to continue with Bryce. 

Now, every game you hear Canales emphasize getting the ball out quickly and neutralizing the pass rush, protecting the beat up OL.

In this context, would it really matter to him who was standing back there as QB?   And if so, why?

I did a look at this earlier and the amount of deep passes attempted from 2024-2025 per NFL NGS between Young and Dalton wasn't much. Bryce actually threw more downfield.

I do think that the greater "blame" for the lack of deep targets is on Canales rather than Bryce. I think the success of those passes is more on Bryce.

[kungfoodude]

6 minutes ago, Donald LaFell said:

It’s too large of a sample size to blame coaching. Bryce has missed a lot of deep balls when he’s had the chance. 
 

Tetairoa seems to be a good match for him to put the ball in a contested spot near the sideline on a deeper shot but it seems like Bryce isn’t capable of dropping something in the bucket for a big play. To be fair we don’t have a deep threat like a Ginn in the past. 
 

 

I would argue the reverse. Between Dalton and Bryce, there haven't been many deep shots at all. 

That seems to indicate it does have a heavy scheme component.

Also, IDGAF about the lack of deep passing. As I stated earlier this season here, throw backwards, throw short, throw intermediate, throw long......just be successful. IDGAF what the success looks like. I have preferences but if we are winning, I don't care.

[Candler Cat]

10 minutes ago, csx said:

Chicken and Eggplant Parm

Smoked chicken is the bomb

Eggs over easy with generous amounts of Texas Pete

[mav1234]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

I would argue the reverse. Between Dalton and Bryce, there haven't been many deep shots at all. 

That seems to indicate it does have a heavy scheme component.

Also, IDGAF about the lack of deep passing. As I stated earlier this season here, throw backwards, throw short, throw intermediate, throw long......just be successful. IDGAF what the success looks like. I have preferences but if we are winning, I don't care.

There is a scheme component, but Canales was also HC last year. I think that Canales is playing to his QB, too. This year Bryce is having little success after his first read, so that may be part of the decision making in what routes are being run. I'm not sure. Bryce himself hasn't looked as good 15-20 yards as he did end of last year either.

Fwiw, Dalton is not strong armed at all anymore either.

[kungfoodude]

13 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

There is a scheme component, but Canales was also HC last year. I think that Canales is playing to his QB, too. This year Bryce is having little success after his first read, so that may be part of the decision making in what routes are being run. I'm not sure. Bryce himself hasn't looked as good 15-20 yards as he did end of last year either.

Fwiw, Dalton is not strong armed at all anymore either.

I am going stand by my assessment. We will see if it changes.

[LinvilleGorge]

47 minutes ago, NAS said:

Are the lack of deep passes due to Bryce or is this always the gameplan? 
 

 Even last year in second half we took more shots downfield and we expected that to continue with Bryce. 

Now, every game you hear Canales emphasize getting the ball out quickly and neutralizing the pass rush, protecting the beat up OL.

In this context, would it really matter to him who was standing back there as QB?   And if so, why?

"They're playing the way they have to play with Bryce Young at QB."

Canales is adapting to the cards he's holding. This isn't the way he wants to play, it's the way he has to play right now.

[NAS]

14 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

There is a scheme component, but Canales was also HC last year. I think that Canales is playing to his QB, too. This year Bryce is having little success after his first read, so that may be part of the decision making in what routes are being run. I'm not sure. Bryce himself hasn't looked as good 15-20 yards as he did end of last year either.

Fwiw, Dalton is not strong armed at all anymore either.

But is he asked to abandon reads after 2.7 seconds and not wait for routes to develop due to protection and earlier concerns with fumbles? 

[NAS]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

"They're playing the way they have to play with Bryce Young at QB."

Canales is adapting to the cards he's holding. This isn't the way he wants to play, it's the way he has to play right now.

If I remember it was Greg Cossell who said that before the Bills game insinuating they would play better with Dalton lol