J Person article on Canales and game plan and Rico

[CRA]

29 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Frank was a guy who was headed into retirement and was lured into a nightmare setup for big money. Not a victim. Ohh and he worked the owner so hard he is srill getting g paid. He chose that over the fight at QB or with the owner. Easy call 

You constantly make excuses for Dave but are correct on the front office side. It's both. The DC ended Bryces career is a dead take at this point. It was the plan and they literally tried again this year when he was choking again. DC and Morgan knew what they wanted to do and what Tepper didn't allow the year before. If he wanted Young gone he wouldn't have been working on Young's technique, Tepper wouldn't know the difference. He also would have had another QB option other than Dalton who couldn't finish out a year. And he sure as hell wouldn't have repeated it this year. But he is just a HC right? It's not like a 'QB wisperer' wouldn't be consulted on resigning Dalton or what scrub they brought in...

The main problem is Tepper. Dave and Dan are symptoms of that. Neither are good and neither are terrible. Both have shown recent proof they are still on the Bryce train. Dave's time is always going to be short because he was never ready and all the hype was BS. Baker wasn't fixed, he got his head out of his own arse and was put in a good situation again. If Tepper demanded a pass first approach and he allowed that to happen then he is weak AF and is worse than I currently think. Yes he has a boss but you know what the rest of us do with a crappy boss? Whatever we can think of to work that mess while planning the next job option. 

 

I'm not painting Frank as some poor helpless victim.  If John Fox were to look like he couldn't coach an 10 year old rec team.......it's not because John Fox is a mentally challenge clown that doesn't know football suddenly.   There would be a glaring issue that isn't John Fox at play.  It's just reality acknowledging.  

It's the same old song and dance here.  It's Groundhog Day in terms of talking about the most glaring issue at any moment in time.    

Constantly making excuses for Canales? I've rarely ever have said a nice world about him.  I didn't like the hire.  I don't like his O. I don't like him being the OC/HC.  And I trashed the entire setup going into this season just like I did going into last season.  

my profile pic is what it is for a reason.  Nothing we can do about the Tepper problem.  Wasted talk. So I move on to the ones we can do something about.  So the biggest issue remains, Bryce and the folks in the front office that will have the worst draft pick of all time (all things factored) attached to their names in the NFL history books.  Until you solve that, nothing matters. 

[Gapanthersfan]

18 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Half of the roster?

We don't even have half of the starters that would start on most NFL teams. 

I also bristle at the idea of a "bridge" coach. That's letting Tepper off easy when it was juat plainly a bad fuging hire.

Especially when you have guys like Ben Johnson and Shane Steichen that aren't struggling this way.

Half of the starters are legit good NFL talent.

Tet, Coker, Ickey, Hubbard, Rico, Moton, Hunt, Lewis, Brown, JC Horn, Moehrig. 

Definitely still lacking in places and no where what I would call a good roster, but it has trended in a positive direction. 

Bridge is the only consolation I can give myself to cope with this gross coaching negligence in every aspect. There are/were so many better options that weren’t welcome here (Harbaugh/Payton) or never were going to be a part of this ish show (Ben, Shane, etc).

[Waldo]

7 minutes ago, CRA said:

I'm not painting Frank as some poor helpless victim.  If John Fox were to look like he couldn't coach an 10 year old rec team.......it's not because John Fox is a mentally challenge clown that doesn't know football suddenly.   There would be a glaring issue that isn't John Fox at play.  It's just reality acknowledging.  

It's the same old song and dance here.  It's Groundhog Day in terms of talking about the most glaring issue at any moment in time.    

Constantly making excuses for Canales? I've rarely ever have said a nice world about him.  I didn't like the hire.  I don't like his O. I don't like him being the OC/HC.  And I trashed the entire setup going into this season just like I did going into last season.  

my profile pic is what it is for a reason.  Nothing we can do about the Tepper problem.  Wasted talk. So I move on to the ones we can do something about.  So the biggest issue remains, Bryce and the folks in the front office that will have the worst draft pick of all time (all things factored) attached to their names in the NFL history books.  Until you solve that, nothing matters. 

The fact you still think he ended Youngs career last year vs the reality it was his and Dan's game plan all along is the excuse. That man went into a game leaning on Bryce while avoiding the run game because ' he wanted to build on Young’s record-breaking passing performance' in year 2 after watching the team win despite Bryce's limitations. Or is he so weak he allows Dan and Tepper to force his playcalling? 

You allow so little blame to fall onto him which is making excuses for him when there is blame ro assign to everyone. You look at DC like Tepper looked at Fritters in 22 or Dan in 23, which were both poor calls too. In reality is just a matter of how much blame should get assigned to who because no one is blameless in that mix. 

Wasted talk is trying to do the mental gymnastics to prove how blameless Dave is in the current mess. He is obviously one of the issues and the only reason to really keep him is because we would be left with hiring another bottom option given the way the team is run. 

 

[Cpt slay a ho]

Dave ain’t it, but hopefully young is replaced first out the two since I’m sure both won’t be replaced at the same time 

[csx]

3 hours ago, csx said:

Canales is a fraud

I have eased up on this. He was incredibly stupid Monday. However I dont advocate firing. We cant keep doing that and expect better coaches.

He better have learned that obvious lesson 

[PanthersNCSU]

4 minutes ago, csx said:

I have eased up on this. He was incredibly stupid Monday. However I dont advocate firing. We cant keep doing that and expect better coaches.

He better have learned that obvious lesson 

Underrated part of all of this. Feel like it was Kaye that reported that NOBODY wanted to touch this job, so we had to go with someone not really even getting interviews/hire someone too early. 

A. Tepper is dumb to have not listened to Harbaugh if it's true he wanted to be here, since that was the only name I remember being *potentially* tied to us

B. You can cycle through QBs every single year. You can't do that with coaches and expect to hire anybody worth a poo. Even if Canales sucks, optically we almost have to give him 3 years minimum to prove we're a serious team for once and not scare anyone else off.