EVERY single one of us with an IQ > 10 WANTED Ben Johnson, DID NOT WANT Bryce Young

[MHS831]

12 hours ago, Tbe said:

He’s Stanford’s HC.

Speaking of---I wanted David Shaw, who is now the "passing game coordinator" in Detroit.  I met him in Palo Alto when CMC was there--a class act.  

 

[Jay Roosevelt]

You can't blame Tepper for not getting Ben Johnson. He wanted him but Johnson chose to not take a HC job that cycle.

Tepper is to blame for a lot, but that's not on him.

[ProcessBlue2]

I did NOT want young. I was 50/50 on Johnson and still am kinda. He has a really talented roster. He should be 9-3 with the skill they have. The previous coaches were just idiots. Johnson comes across as one of those guys that can lose composure and the locker room fast. Kinda like Jonathan Gannon. Smart guy, seems to doing well so far. 

[CRA]

2 minutes ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

I did NOT want young. I was 50/50 on Johnson and still am kinda. He has a really talented roster. He should be 9-3 with the skill they have. The previous coaches were just idiots. Johnson comes across as one of those guys that can lose composure and the locker room fast. Kinda like Jonathan Gannon. Smart guy, seems to doing well so far. 

Ben Johnson appears to be a massive prick.  I would question how things would go in rough times with him because I’m sure he becomes an even bigger one then 

[kungfoodude]

17 hours ago, electro's horse said:

Ben Johnson wanted nothing to do with Carolina, and rightfully so. 

Yep. He actively avoided us and other bad situations to wait and find a situation that set him up for success. 

He is a very shrewd guy doing so.

Way too smart to be swayed by someone like Tepper.

[kungfoodude]

29 minutes ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

I did NOT want young. I was 50/50 on Johnson and still am kinda. He has a really talented roster. He should be 9-3 with the skill they have. The previous coaches were just idiots. Johnson comes across as one of those guys that can lose composure and the locker room fast. Kinda like Jonathan Gannon. Smart guy, seems to doing well so far. 

That's what they were saying about Nick Sirianni about 2 seasons ago.

He also has a .700 winning percentage.

People also called Dan Campbell a lunatic upon his hiring.

[PootieNunu]

9 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

That's what they were saying about Nick Sirianni about 2 seasons ago.

He also has a .700 winning percentage.

People also called Dan Campbell a lunatic upon his hiring.

No one wanted Shane Stichen to come here,that's the guy I wanted.

Not like it would have mattered,he was allowed to replace his highly drafted bust QB while we were forced to keep putting ours out there. That's why Tepper can't get any quality coaches and I will die on that hill.

Owners should not be making roster decisions, especially decisions on who is starting.

[strato]

55 minutes ago, PootieNunu said:

No one wanted Shane Stichen to come here,that's the guy I wanted.

Not like it would have mattered,he was allowed to replace his highly drafted bust QB while we were forced to keep putting ours out there. That's why Tepper can't get any quality coaches and I will die on that hill.

Owners should not be making roster decisions, especially decisions on who is starting.

I seem to remember a few people touting him as a potential hire. Don’t remember a lot of that process in detail any more 

[DaveThePanther2008]

Well Tepper let Rhule dump Cam for his QB.  Bridgewater was not the answer.  From there it was downhill.  I always thought that though Cam was limited he was still a better QB than anyone we picked up.  I would have rather drafted a QB and learn behind Cam and eventually take over. 

After Rhule screwed it up, Tepper was going to pick his QB.  He knew nothing about QB in the NFL.  Too many Heisman QBs don't pan out in the NFL. 

Many won't acknowledge it but this forum was full of Tank for Young when he was in college.  I wasn't one of them.

Edited 2 hours ago by DaveThePanther2008

[ncbob]

21 hours ago, PantherBoy95 said:

lol where is Frank Reich these days anyway.

Kind of surprised he never had some big tell all podcast moment about his time here.

Say what you want about Reich, I like the guy, he’s much too professional to drop to Teppers level and start talking poo or spill the beans on his relationship with the FO or the Teppers. 

[frankw]

4 hours ago, PootieNunu said:

No one wanted Shane Stichen to come here,that's the guy I wanted.

Not like it would have mattered,he was allowed to replace his highly drafted bust QB while we were forced to keep putting ours out there. That's why Tepper can't get any quality coaches and I will die on that hill.

Owners should not be making roster decisions, especially decisions on who is starting.

Quite a few people here were interested in Steichen. The Panthers held an interview with him over Zoom because he was still coaching in the playoffs at the time. The excuse from our org was that he didn't interview well. We even had Vrabel scheduled for an interview too. But Tepper was his usual impatient and impulsive self and rushed into hiring Reich and then became hyper focused on drafting "his guy" Bryce Young. Honestly it probably didn't matter who we hired it was always going to end badly because of the Tepper's.

[strato]

22 minutes ago, ncbob said:

Say what you want about Reich, I like the guy, he’s much too professional to drop to Teppers level and start talking poo or spill the beans on his relationship with the FO or the Teppers. 

Yeah. I don’t know if he will ever tell the inside story, but it won’t be told while Bryce is playing. And probably never.  
Sure would love to hear it though. 

[Mr. Scot]

23 hours ago, strato said:

And I would bet all your money on Frank not wanting Bryce. 
He was a victim too. Highly compensated but he didn’t ask for Bryce.

He knew.  
It is why he quit looking like he gave a poo. 

Not only Bryce...

The "all star" coaching staff approach was pushed on Reich because Tepper saw the initial success Brian Daboll was having. That's how we ended up with Thomas Brown (among others) rather than the staff Reich would hav chosen himself.

When it comes to football, Tepper is one of those guys who sees someone else having success and says "hey, let's copy that" rather than getting people who have their own ideas.

So, not just unoriginal, but also stupid

As to Bryce, Fitterer admitted he'd locked in on Bryce the year before and wasn't budging. Pretty much everyone believes Reich wanted Stroud, but why would you expect him to get his choice of quarterback when he didn't even get his choice of assistant coaches?

Add in that besides Tepper's Monday meetings and his using assistants as basically corporate spies, Fitterer lthrew Reich under the bus when Bryce wasn't an overnight sensation.

Basically, Reich never had a shot.

Now Fitterer is gone, the all star staff is mostly gone, the Giants are a sh-t show and Reich is experiencing a career resurrection at Stanford.

And us? Well, we're still here hoping for a miracle 

Edited 15 minutes ago by Mr. Scot

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Not only Bryce...

The "all star" coaching staff approach was pushed on Reich because Tepper saw the initial success Brian Daboll was having. That's how we ended up with Thomas Brown (among others) rather than the staff Reich would hav chosen himself.

When it comes to football, Tepper is one of those guys who sees someone else having success and says "hey, let's copy that" rather than getting people who have their own ideas. Not just unoriginal, but also stupid

As to Bryce, Fitterer admitted he'd locked in on Bryce the year before and wasn't budging. Pretty much everyone believes Reich wanted Stroud, but why would you expect him to get his choice of quarterback when he didn't even get his choice of assistant coaches?

Add in that besides Tepper using assistants as basically corporate spies, Fitterer threw Reich under the bus when Bryce wasn't an overnight sensation.

Basically, Reich never had a shot.

Now Fitterer is gone, the all star staff is mostly gone, the Giants are a sh-t show and Reich is experiencing a career resurrection at Stanford.

And is? Well, we're still here waiting for miracles

IDK that I would call 4-7 a career resurrection.....