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Falcons to hire Stefanski

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6 hours ago, OldhamA said:

I'll be pissed if the Falcons spend huge money on Cousins, a first round pick on Penix and still look to improve the position whilst we're content to bounce along the bottom with Young. 

The Panthers have swung for the fences a lot since the Teppers have been here.  

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3 hours ago, djp14 said:

I don't know their cap situation, but if they're able to pick up Malik Willis or Mac Jones, they could be trouble. Hell, they were only one game worse than us last year. If Cousins had played all season, who knows?

They have about 30,000,000 which is middle of the pack and not a lot of flexibility to restructure more cap. They also have notable free agents to try to resign.

-Kaden Elliss

-Kyle Pitts

-Elijah Wilkinson

-Arnold Ebiketie

-Leonard Floyd

-David Onyemata

-Dee Alford

-Tyler Allgeier

Oh and no first round pick.

Bucs will implode next year, Falcons will be rebuilding. It will be us and the Saints fighting it out.

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56 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I agree.  Just not sure about all the dynamics.  I know his relationship with Watson was dysfunctional, Myles talked about wanting out, etc.  However, I am not sure how versatile he is.  Specifically, who was out of position in your estimation?  What adjustments did you want to see against what teams?  I did not keep up with the Browns like you did, so I am just curious.I do, however, agree 100% with your premise.  For the past year, I have been working 60 hours per week, so I am out of the loop.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I don't pay critical attention to anyone but the Panthers, but I will do research on occasion and keep abreast of the NFL in general. Certain things pique my interest, like why results are at odds with what some people are trying to sell.

As for your question, It's not that they were literally out of position, but more about scheme fit and play calling. Baker didn't believe that Stefanski was supportive enough. 

Hopefully this isn't behind a paywall for you.

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2022/01/browns-qb-baker-mayfield-must-resolve-his-differences-with-kevin-stefanski-soon-in-case-they-need-to-co-exist-next-season-mary-kay-cabot.html

Now I'm sure that you already know about all the OBJ drama. Unfortunately paywalls are a thing, but here is a direct quote from NFL.com and Kevin Patra:

"Stefanski's scheme also didn't play to OBJ's strength. The timing offense predicated on wideouts being at a specific spot and the QB reading the progression negated some of what made Beckham a star in New York."

https://www.nfl.com/news/browns-planning-to-release-wr-odell-beckham

In general, some fans---not all---think that Stefanski's offense minimizes receivers' production, pointing to several pairings, OBJ and Jarvis Landry most notably. And, to be honest, the dropoffs in production kinda speak to that. 

Like you've said, him and Watson had tensions. Whatever you think of Watson as a person, his play regressed. He went from one of the best to one of the worst. Sure, it all could've just been mental or Karma, but more than a few thought that Watson's shotgun style would not work with Stefanskics zone-wide scheme, and it didn't. My thing is, that HCs shouldn't least be willing to do some  identifying of problems and strengths, and do at least a little compromising and adapting instead of being so indebted to their scheme that they continue to showcase failure as opposed to trying something different.

I just might have higher expectations of what I call a good coach. Sure, all failed coaches have excuses, many that are legitimate, but for me you just can't be stubborn. Real coaching is about adapting for me. You must at least try to adapt to the situation, to your personnel, and to your opponent. 

Perhaps Stefanski can do these things, but for me it's way too early to be giving him the label "good" or "great" based upon his body of work. In my mind, he's wasted some pretty good defenses due to lack of offensive creativity.

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Just now, TD alt said:

Oh, don't get me wrong, I don't pay critical attention to anyone but the Panthers, but I will do research on occasion and keep abreast of the NFL in general. Certain things pique my interest, like why results are at odds with what some people are trying to sell.

As for your question, It's not that they were literally out of position, but more about scheme fit and play calling. Baker didn't believe that Stefanski was supportive enough. 

Hopefully this isn't behind a paywall for you.

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2022/01/browns-qb-baker-mayfield-must-resolve-his-differences-with-kevin-stefanski-soon-in-case-they-need-to-co-exist-next-season-mary-kay-cabot.html

Now I'm sure that you already know about all the OBJ drama. Unfortunately paywalls are a thing, but here is a direct quote from NFL.com and Kevin Patra:

"Stefanski's scheme also didn't play to OBJ's strength. The timing offense predicated on wideouts being at a specific spot and the QB reading the progression negated some of what made Beckham a star in New York."

https://www.nfl.com/news/browns-planning-to-release-wr-odell-beckham

In general, some fans---not all---think that Stefanski's offense minimizes receivers' production, pointing to several pairings, OBJ and Jarvis Landry most notably. And, to be honest, the dropoffs in production kinda speak to that. 

Like you've said, him and Watson had tensions. Whatever you think of Watson as a person, his play regressed. He went from one of the best to one of the worst. Sure, it all could've just been mental or Karma, but more than a few thought that Watson's shotgun style would not work with Stefanskics zone-wide scheme, and it didn't. My thing is, that HCs shouldn't least be willing to do some  identifying of problems and strengths, and do at least a little compromising and adapting instead of being so indebted to their scheme that they continue to showcase failure as opposed to trying something different.

I just might have higher expectations of what I call a good coach. Sure, all failed coaches have excuses, many that are legitimate, but for me you just can't be stubborn. Real coaching is about adapting for me. You must at least try to adapt to the situation, to your personnel, and to your opponent. 

Perhaps Stefanski can do these things, but for me it's way too early to be giving him the label "good" or "great" based upon his body of work. In my mind, he's wasted some pretty good defenses due to lack of offensive creativity.

Agree with all of that...I think folks are discounting that they had a monster oline , chubbs, hunt, baker, obj, Myles Garrett and some really good rosters and couldn't figure it out... I don't get the fear that he's going to in Atlanta 

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