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11 minutes ago, Jay Roosevelt said:

 

Maybe Ryans was threatened by Bobby Slowik? That could explain why he gutted the offense and redirected all the resources into "his" side of the ball on defense.

Slowik was a pff dork who got the job of a lifetime, did well his first year, then got absolutely exposed to the point he spent last season as a position coach in Miami.

 

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2 hours ago, Joe Bear said:

The risk you take when trading up, which I’ve never wanted to do.

But Tepper was going to land on Levis without a trade up, so I’m more than skeptical that any of the 2024 blue-chippers would’ve been chosen a year later. 

That would have been much less destructive. He is already an afterthought in Tennessee. 
I wish we could have afterthoughts.  
 

edit: also, Ryan’s seems to be a poster child for  not hiring inexperienced one dimensional types to be your HC. 
No clue how to assemble and oversee an offensive staff. Apparently. 

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21 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Slowik was a pff dork who got the job of a lifetime, did well his first year, then got absolutely exposed to the point he spent last season as a position coach in Miami.

 

And yet the Texans offense has only gotten worse since he left. His first season was by FAR the best of C.J. Stroud's career. Not saying he's the best O.C. of all time or anything, but he was doing something right.

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3 minutes ago, Jay Roosevelt said:

And yet the Texans offense has only gotten worse since he left. His first season was by FAR the best of C.J. Stroud's career. Not saying he's the best O.C. of all time or anything, but he was doing something right.

Yeah, and once defenses got one look at it he didn’t have anything else.

there were a ton of videos hyping him up for doing all these new and innovative things to the point he was talked about as a HC possibility for the Panthers. He just didn’t have a response at all once the league had tape on him, and considering where he ended up it doesn’t seem like he’s highly thought of in general. 

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2 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Yeah, and once defenses got one look at it he didn’t have anything else.

there were a ton of videos hyping him up for doing all these new and innovative things to the point he was talked about as a HC possibility for the Panthers. He just didn’t have a response at all once the league had tape on him, and considering where he ended up it doesn’t seem like he’s highly thought of in general. 

Looks like the Eagles are interviewing him for their OC job. 

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6 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

How about let's stop focusing on which of these two was the bigger mistake, just they are  mistakes.  Focus on the future.  Hopefully 2026 will be the last season with Bryce Young as our "Franchise QB".

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Carr, Lagway, Meste, Raiola would all still be underclassmen who can return for more NIL money. CJ Bailey at NCST is another QB who could make a nice leap next year. 

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looking at the byounf and stroud stats yeah stroud way way better rhan young and has hope.  lookinf at youngs he is who he is and sucks.  looking at one playoff game of strouds he sucks looking at youngs atlanta game he is awesime.  gotta look at entire years or at least multple games in a row to really see anything. 

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7 minutes ago, fanpanther said:

looking at the byounf and stroud stats yeah stroud way way better rhan young and has hope.  lookinf at youngs he is who he is and sucks.  looking at one playoff game of strouds he sucks looking at youngs atlanta game he is awesime.  gotta look at entire years or at least multple games in a row to really see anything. 

That's my point also. Stroud has been to the playoffs multiple times. If we are just gonna cherry pick games, then this exercise won't matter. 

The real question is if you had both of them in camp who would win out?   I say Stroud by a land slide. He would do much better her and they would be worse with Bryce. Maybe not as many turnovers, but certainly less explosive 

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30 minutes ago, carolinanimal said:

That's my point also. Stroud has been to the playoffs multiple times. If we are just gonna cherry pick games, then this exercise won't matter. 

The real question is if you had both of them in camp who would win out?   I say Stroud by a land slide. He would do much better her and they would be worse with Bryce. Maybe not as many turnovers, but certainly less explosive 

Stroud needs some mental rehabbing. Change of scenery probably would be best.  

He still has that form and arm. Just got to clear his head of whatever has gotten into it.  Build his confidence back up.  If that is possible. It is worth a try.  

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1 hour ago, Jay Roosevelt said:

And yet the Texans offense has only gotten worse since he left. His first season was by FAR the best of C.J. Stroud's career. Not saying he's the best O.C. of all time or anything, but he was doing something right.

Slowik was who I wanted as our HC when we hired Canales.  He clearly had an idea of how to maximize Strouds talent. sophmore slumps happen, but he fell off a cliff this year and I believe it can be due to getting rid of him.

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4 hours ago, Joe Bear said:

Some of the colossal Stroud copium on here from posters who like to use “cope” every third word sure is something. 

If Stroud "fell off a cliff" this year as you guys are alluding to, then what does that say about bryce?  Stroud had better stats than young..........and his missed a month of the season.  So yeah keep coping

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36 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

If Stroud "fell off a cliff" this year as you guys are alluding to, then what does that say about bryce?  Stroud had better stats than young..........and his missed a month of the season.  So yeah keep coping

Yeah but young had better ymca, epa, PTO and IOU stats on days after a waxing crescent moon. Young clearly is better. 

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