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Merril Hoge says Jameis Winston is fat, slow, and a lumbering athlete that the NFL will expose


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Hoge said, “When you look at Cam Newton on a scale from one to 10 as far as athleticism he may be a 12. When you look at him as a quarterback he probably pushing around a four

 

 

 Hoge said that in “half a heart beat” he would select Griffin over Luck if he was drafting for Indianapolis. “Don’t be shocked if the Colts take RG3. … Football people will look at this, and they’ll be like ‘holy cow. That kid [Griffin] is unreal.'”

 

 

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This is what I like to call the logic of a "reverse stereotype," to reinforce the same racist narrative.

 

Allow me to demonstrate:

 

There was an overwhelming narrative that "Athletic quarterbacks" game will not transfer into a successful career into the NFL. Most of those quarterbacks turned out to be black quarterbacks (regardless of the fact that there are quite a few qbs who are mobile. IE: Andrew Luck.) That narrative is downplayed when an athletic QB sees success by attributing success to other factors: Panthers win because of their defense (despite Cam's record breaking numbers), or overlooked altogether: Russell Wilson (first black QB to win a superbowl since Doug Williams. First mobile QB to win since Steve Young.)

 

Since the emergence of the "New prototypical QB," Russell Wilson, Cam Newton, Andrew Luck, Colin Kaep... that narrative has quietly been swept under the rug.

 

What we are now seeing... and I've heard this twice today concerning Jameis Winston... is that he is now "not athletic enough" to survive today's game. Jameis Winston's football IQ has been compared to Peyton Manning's. THE Peyton Manning... the guy who years prior... scouts and analysts have lived and died by his method as a prototypical QB. Jameis Winston

 

Now Marcus Mariota is being praised because of his athletic ability... when his numbers aren't much greater than Jameis.

 

When you take a set of attributes and talents and see them as a strength for one group of people.... but a weakness always for another.... THAT is racism.

 

So while Big Ben's chunky frame is seen as an asset... Jameis Winston is seen as a liability.

 

Now... for the record... I think Jameis is an idiot. He's done a lot of idiotic things and I don't see that totally going away. I like Marcus Mariota... but he's just not better than Jameis.

 

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