Josh Norman promises he won't hold out...

[Byrdman4real]

2 hours ago, MountainHeel66 said:

There is a major difference between butt hurt/no respect and disagreeing with a decision. I can see why Josh would feel the way he does, I honestly can. I also don't fault him for feeling that way. I just don't think its the best decision for him or most other top athletes now a days. 

If he were to, saaay, take an offer from a team like the Jags or Raiders a year from now, what do you think will be running through his mind if we are playing for championships and he just went through an 8-10 loss season. How will he feel 4-5 years down the road when he is becoming a shadow of his former self (assuming he is still in the league) and still stuck on a craptastic team that can't do anything right and who are probably shopping him around because they gave him a contract they can't support anymore. Sure the extra money will be a comfort at times, but he will be largely forgotten, his legacy will not be all it could have been, and that few million wont feel as fantastic and wonderful as it once did. 

There is something to be said for looking beyond the moment you are in and thinking long term and about building a legacy. This generation's legacies last about as long as a snapchat photo. Look at a guy like Robinson Cano as a perfect example of what could have been. He has the chance to be the heir apparent in NY, maybe become the next Yankee Captain, etch a legacy alongside the names of Mantle, Bera, Ruth, Gehrig, Jeter and DiMaggio. He was given two MASSIVELY lucrative contract offers that were of similarly ludicrous values. He opted to move to seattle because they gave him a couple more years and a few million more over the lifetime of a 100+million contract. Now he has gone from one of the sports brightest young stars to an after thought. The best player, not producing to his contracts value, on a mediocre team, in a miserable city. He got his money and lost everything else. No stage to make a name on, no loyalty, no feel good story, and went to a ball park that will (and has) kill his stats.

Josh has a stage here on an emerging top NFL team, an association with the heart and attitude of this squad, he's a hometown hero, has the chance to still make more money than he'll ever need, and can put his name down in the lore of great players for this franchise and become one of those names synonymous with the Panthers. Those are the pillars you can build a hall of fame candidacy on. Or you can risk it, throw success out the window and jump to a poor team willing to throw infinite amounts of cash at you now (only to be cut at the first opportunity later) and hit reset on your career arch. Can you still be the best?? Yes, but you're the best on a crappy team, it kills heart and drive, can tank stats, and you're still just a big fish in an obscure, if not comical, pond. Sometimes there is more value in being on the team that will get you more exposure, take a little less money, but still be visible and beloved. That leads to bigger endorsements, more air time and exposure and the perception of a bigger/better career. 

Exactly

[Daddy_Uncle]

Looking for Gettleman to draft a CB high. Will be a clear indication he is looking for Norman's replacement

[Byrdman4real]

12 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

You missed.my point entirely. 

I know everything you mentioned, and agree with most of it. 

That wasn't the point *I* was making. 

Josh, is the man in charge of his life. It's his decision. Like i said, i have zero problems with him wanting top money.  His choice to make. Never said it was the choice I'd make, or even recommend to him.

What you saying is true, but everyone see where and how this story ends. Hope its a different ending this time.

[the butch]

What is the deadline for teams to submit offers to non-exclusive franchise players?

[TheRumGone]

1 hour ago, TheNewStandard said:

I still wouldn't rule out a hold-out from him. Nothing surprises me with J-No and his erratic behavior.

no doubt he is one of the better corners in the league...I just want to see what kind of a jump Bene' makes this year because as the G-man says..."the answer could be on the roster.

i fully expect us to draft a corner in the top-3 rounds this year and wouldn't be surprised at all if we drat a safety with our 1st or second pick. 

So maybe Josh becomes expendable with another year of development from Bene' and a fresh crop of young DBs.

Hes just too expensive considering our holes and upcoming FA like KK and some of our linemen.

What is exactly is his erratic behavior?

[Riverboat Ron]

54 minutes ago, Daddy_Uncle said:

Looking for Gettleman to draft a CB high. Will be a clear indication he is looking for Norman's replacement

I wouldn't be surprised if Gettleman blows all our minds and takes a CB in the 1st if a BPA CB falls like William Jackson III.

[MountainHeel66]

3 hours ago, pantherclaw said:

You missed.my point entirely. 

I know everything you mentioned, and agree with most of it. 

That wasn't the point *I* was making. 

Josh, is the man in charge of his life. It's his decision. Like i said, i have zero problems with him wanting top money.  His choice to make. Never said it was the choice I'd make, or even recommend to him.

And I guess you ignored the entire first paragraph where I said I understood why and didn't hold it against him. We can agree on that much. The point was more of an over reaching example of how screwed up and flawed that logic is and why it's ultimately lead to the downfall of careers and why the short term thought process is actually a bad thing in the long haul.

 

Some guys SHOULD go get that money. They are on bad teams or in bad situations or signing the last lucrative contract of their careera and may as well make the best of it. Josh is not that. He deserves high dollar but 1 or even 2 years does not make him the top DB in the NFL nor does it make him any younger and worth putting ourselves right back into cap hell. It also would not benefit him as much as it may seem just looking at the contract numbers. 

 

Youre right thougb, josh will do what he does and there is nothing either of us can say to influence that. Just hope he sees common sense before he loses the opportunity.

[Doc Holiday]

Honestly with the way the salary cap is increasing we need to just go ahead and pay him. When the salaries catch up to the cap increase its going to look like he took a discount 

[pantherclaw]

This is the one opportunity, the ONLY opportunity Josh has to get a big payday. And SHAME on HIM if he DIDN'T want to get as much as he can. 

I understand the passion of the game, i understand the legacy other choices bring. Those are ones i agree with. 

The fact is, this is still a business, and Josh has been playing for peanuts. 

Josh, go get every dime you can. 

 

[iamhubby1]

2 hours ago, pantherclaw said:

This is the one opportunity, the ONLY opportunity Josh has to get a big payday. And SHAME on HIM if he DIDN'T want to get as much as he can. 

I understand the passion of the game, i understand the legacy other choices bring. Those are ones i agree with. 

The fact is, this is still a business, and Josh has been playing for peanuts. 

Josh, go get every dime you can. 

 

 

This is how I feel as well. IF Josh were a few years younger so we were talking his second contract. Then he may take that Home Town Discount. But we ain't. He deserves a chance at making his money. He may only get this one shot at that type contract. Go for it young man.

 

Now as a Panther fan. It really sux we will probably lose him. Maybe in 4 years he will come back as that grizzly vet we need to put us back over the top. I think that would be cool if he could play well for that long.

[Khyber53]

Josh will and should go where the money is. Good for him and hope he finds a great set of paychecks out there for him. Hope he performs up to it and gets him another contract.

If it's with us, that's great, if not, then we'll survive. He has been an important player on this team and has really grown as a player, but he can't be in the top three pay spots on the team. Teams that overpay for a CB usually end up regretting it -- a good corner back can save you a win or two a year, a great one can cost you so much that you end up weakening the rest of your team. 

Best of luck to him and if he decides for some reason to sign here long term for reasonable money, then there will be a lot of happy folks. If he goes elsewhere, at least he and his family will be happy. It's a win-win either way.

[The Huddler]

I dont blame Norman or any NFL player to go and get the best paycheck they can. Its a dilusional retard fan perspective to expect them to do otherwise. He bet on himself and won. Good sshit josh.  Ill be a fan of his wherever he ends up. Hes Beast

[arieslibra1]

16 hours ago, OBXPantha said:

Sounds like he wants to be the highest paid corner.  This may be his last year as a panther because Gettleman is not going to pay him "all time great" money. 

Right! I definitely won't be surprised if they draft a CB high now.

[CarolinaNCSU]

Norman is crazy, but I like his crazy. 

 

That said, 2016 or 2017 will be the end of his time as a Panther I'd think. Franchised this year, and even the next potentially...and if he's still playing at a high level then, a Jaguars or Browns will overpay him while Gettleman will sit back and collect a comp pick.