Oh DeAngelo....

[Happy Panther]

All those who have worked in the service industry know what the likely reality was here.

 

 

[Floppin]

51 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

Being a patron. You said it. Understand what a patron is in business. They are giving financial support to your business. The employees are an extension/representative of that business. Patronage is an exchange, and both ends of the exchange must be met. Do not expect service without paying, and do not expect payment without service. Why is this so difficult to understand? It is a relational and not an individual issue.

This is simple. The restaurant provides value and the patron reciprocates by matching the provided value with economic support. If you provide exceptional service, you get an exceptional tip. If you provide crap service, you get a crap tip.

Every customer that comes through that door has the inherent right to walk out that door at any time. It is the server's responsibility to make them stay by providing value to that patron. The patron always determines the value. You can put a price on it of $100, but if the patron does not see $100 in value, they are obliged to counter through their actions. Provide the value and you will be fine.

It is always on the provider and not the patron. Anyone who thinks otherwise is being taken advantage of in business. The patron determines the price and the provider agrees to the exchange. There is a reason you do not take money up front without the assurance of a refund. Try taking money and tips up front for services and food without giving the patron assurance of getting their money back - no refund policy. You will not be in business very long. The market will not allow it.

In business as well as life, you are always competing for market share. What do you think you are doing at this moment by trying to acquire other's attention?

I know this thread is about tips but I got the impression from this response and others that you seem to be arguing that you can refuse to pay for food that you've consumed. 

That's actually considered theft and is an arrestable offense.

[Eazy-E]

I live in Charleston and it is one huge food, beverage, and hospitality town.Tipping is basically a way to pay it forward. Leave a good tip or do something nice and I guarantee you will get something in return. If you are a regular at a bar or someplace and are a nice person who tips well and respects the staff they will take notice. If the bar is packed they will make it a priority to server you. Hell, they may even take care of your first round for taking care of them. 

Charleston is a really close knit F&B community. Be an asshole and the word will spread like wildfire. Bars and restaurants will black list you. I am not just talking about tipping or being a poo tipper.  No one likes to be treated like poo regardless of where you work. Basic manners go a long way, like a simple please and thank you.

TL:DR: When I leave a tip I normally receive that tip back or more, someway or another, in the near future.

[Floppin]

All you cheap ass people are the reason I routinely tip 50% or more, sometimes well over 100%. Working in any tip dependant service job will really make you realize how shitty the majority of the public is.

If you get less than 30% from me you've done something terribly wrong.

[Mvp2014]

4 minutes ago, E CaT PanTHer 2 said:

 

Haha I knew I heard that somewhere

[CPantherKing]

21 minutes ago, E CaT PanTHer 2 said:

Yup, and honestly, If I were a waiter, I'd memorize the faces of every famous person in my area and if I see one of them walk in, I'd give them the most amazing service they could only dream about. 

Do you know how lucrative of a decision that could be for a waiter. They gotta be smarter in these situations.

You never know. Someone with capital may just start a business and be looking for exceptional people.

[Mvp2014]

2 minutes ago, Floppin said:

All you cheap ass people are the reason I routinely tip 50% or more, sometimes well over 100%. Working in any tip dependant service job will really make you realize how shitty the majority of the public is.

If you get less than 30% from me you've done something terribly wrong.

Damn Floppin good for you.  As someone who worked at Chili's and delivered pizzas when I was in high school, I do my best to pay it forward.  I know what a difference that one or two good tips make.  

[pantherclaw]

2 hours ago, Bronn said:

I love how you insinuate what I'm insinuating. Go be insinuating somewhere else.

I love how you expect us to believe you can be the asshole who doesn't tip for bad service but that you go out of your way to tip way above average every other time.

I'm not saying if someone hops up on the table and takes a dump on your plate that you should tip them. Ever.

But if they at least took your order, brought you your food and drinks, took it back to the kitchen if it was wrong and took the cook's word for it when they brought it back wrong again, you should give them a bare minimum of 15% of whatever the bill was. If you have further protest, then take it out with the manager and blame the restaurant as whole and not just the server.

See, your assuming that i don't know how to treat a waiter, or waitress. 

That is where you are talking out of your ass.

 

I don't care what you believe. I don't have to defend my tipping to anyone. Any waitress/waiter who waits on me, and does their job, are more than happy i was their guest. 

You took me not tipping bad service,  and assumed i meant the food was subpar, or it was someone else's  fault. 

You're an idiot for thinking that.

[SmokinwithWilly]

25 minutes ago, E CaT PanTHer 2 said:

Yup, and honestly, If I were a waiter, I'd memorize the faces of every famous person in my area and if I see one of them walk in, I'd give them the most amazing service they could only dream about. 

Do you know how lucrative of a decision that could be for a waiter. They gotta be smarter in these situations.

It doesn't always work that way. I used to have a certain member of the original Hornets come in as one of my regulars every week and I hated when he showed up. He was picky as hell, to the point of being just plain fugging ridiculous just to be a prick, and he tipped for poo. He would run up a large tab and pay in cash to the freaking penny, sometimes even counting it out for me. My manager finally started comping some of his food after he left after seeing what I had to put up with so I could at least break even with tip share. 

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

i saw this thread and was like "oh poo, deangelo is saying that he's glad he doesn't play for a shitty organization like the panthers who are run by a dumbass idiot like dave gettleman or something.  can't wait to see where this goes"

imagine my relief when it turned out to be another dumbass internet debate about tipping

[CRA]

also, there are tons of people that are horrible tippers.  We all know them.  If called out, they will simply say they always have horrible service as their justification.  

[Floppin]

11 minutes ago, Mvp2014 said:

Damn Floppin good for you.  As someone who worked at Chili's and delivered pizzas when I was in high school, I do my best to pay it forward.  I know what a difference that one or two good tips make.  

Yeah but I benefit as well. Gave my bartender Friday $100 Bill to pay my $27 tab. Couple weeks back I went out with a pair of doctors, I tried to pay our bill only to find out they already had, so I just tipped the bar staff the $300 I was going to use to pay.

But you know what happens, all the places I frequent I get exceptional service. I can show up to a nice fine dining restaurant wearing a gray pull over sweatshirt and management will ask patrons in $10k suits at the bar to please move down so they can add a chair so I can sit.

It means a lot to the people it helps, and I get a lot out of it too.

[Squirrel]

Sorry shiitty service no tip. 

[PhillyB]

got some real low class sumbitches up in here, my god.

here's a story for y'all. i'm an eight-year bartending vet. one night i had a cocktail waitress come in bawling. she had just found out her close friend committed suicide ten minutes before the shift. it was busy and there was no way she could leave, which sucked, but she put on a brave face and sucked it up. you couldn't tell anything was wrong, but she was fuging up left and right. missing orders, putting in the wrong food, dropping drinks, etc.

then this one clown who we'll call Beangelo Billiams sits down with a bunch of impressionable 16 year old kids for a golf tourney for snot nosed rich kids in polo shirts and rolexes their hedge fund manager dads bought them for sophomore graduation. Beangelo Billiams gets awful service (he ordered a pinot noir not grigio) and has to wait on his chicken wings because she put in potato skins instead. and when they come out, Beangelo Billiams proceeds to dress her down in front of the entire crew, calling her a lazy screwup and demanding to know why she was so bad at her job. she left in tears. no tip on a $200 tab. i almost murdered him.

deangelo williams probably didn't go that far, and his server probably didn't lose a friend earlier in the day. but the point is, you, deangelo, and you, beangelo, and you, carolina huddle poster and world citizen, don't fuging know that. you have no idea what's happening behind the scenes. more than likely you are a little weasely-eyed steve buscemi type that looks for excuses not to tip rather than tossing ten percent for bare minimum bad service and at least letting a person make a fuging living. if deangelo williams pay was contingent on doing a good job he'd have lost his paycheck every time he ran into ryan kalil's ass and fell down on third and three. a shame he doesn't have the empathetic capacities to see this.

if you got your food and the server didn't poo on your plate, tip 10%. if it's good service tip 15-20%, if it's great give 'em a little extra love and smile because now no one will think you're a poo human being (and we all think y'all are when we see you stiff servers, we just never tell you. and there are a lot of us.)

or you can just go to wendys. bring deangelo with you.