Would you be disappointed if this guy was the pick at 16??

[JARROD]

3 minutes ago, ncfan said:

Watching his video

And watching JJ Watts Wisconsin videos

 

Allen is a poor mans Watt.

I think he can be a stud, but nervous to be taking him anywhere above 25

I’ve only read scouting reports on a lot of them so far,.. I have to watch videos on them.

if this guys the pick I have to trust he’s as good as any of Hurneys first round picks.

personally I prefer an OT,.. followed by either 4-3 DE or 3-4 DE or OLB, whether it’s 3-4 OLB or 4-3 OLB.  

Then theres the possibility of a CB. Again, it’s tough this early— and Hurney does like the BPA thing,.. 

[Actionman0z]

How's his Neck? Anyone get the reference? 

[AU-panther]

I think he could in play there.    

Here is who should be gone at 16: Bosa (probably top 2), Gary (might be more of a 3-4 end), Ferrell, Josh Allen (might be more of a 3-4 LB)

Realistically the DE options at 16: Polite (might be more of a 3-4 LB), Sweat, Zach Allen, Ferguson, Burns 

Then you have to decide what type of end you are looking for.  Sweat is a smaller, speed guy that is probably more suited for weak side end.  Zach Allen would most likely be strong side.  I"m leaning towards trying to find  a strong side end.  With Addison and maybe Haynes we maybe have more of a need on the strong side?

Depending on how many of that second group of DEs we like it might actually be a good spot for a trade down.  Just going to 20 could be an extra 3rd.  We have enough needs to be able to use it.  We could go DE, DT, Center, Guard, Safety in the first 3 rounds,or CB, LB, or WR. If Funchess walks I would like to see another WR brought in.  Not sure if we can need to use our 1st or 2nd on one with our more pressing needs but the 3rd might be a good spot to grab one.  Heck, we might decide to use a an early pick on a QB.

Either way, an extra third would be nice for just dropping down a few spots to grab a player that we would have picked at 16 anyway or one we like just as much.

Even if do we go DE in the first I still think we need to sign a FA DE.  I'm not convinced those in the second tier of DEs is going to make a huge impact first year.  Also I think it will cost too much draft capital to move up and grab one of the top tier guys and honestly we need our draft picks.  This team needs an influx of young, cheap talent.

 

[panthers55]

Don't think we can decide unless we see what happens in free agency first. The draft should be BPA at a position of need while FA should fill as many holes as possible. Reaching for a position is what landed us Butler.

[mc52beast]

6 hours ago, Panfan35 said:

Could also be dexter Lawrence dt from Clemson  

some say it’s to early for o-line but with the big dog saying with a dominant offensive line it makes everything easier look for us picking o-line in the first round if it’s a big reach maybe a move down to get more picks

After years of dealing with inept o-lines we finally have an owner(didn’t play FB like JR) who realizes that the o-line is very important. 

Maybe there really is light at the end of the tunnel

[Waldo]

Seems like a 2nd round pick to me. I like the sound of the dude and what he brings to the table but sounds a bit early for a 1st pick unless this is another draft where the talent is unimpressive?

[AU-panther]

2 hours ago, panthers55 said:

Don't think we can decide unless we see what happens in free agency first. The draft should be BPA at a position of need while FA should fill as many holes as possible. Reaching for a position is what landed us Butler.

BPA is what got us Butler, not reaching.  

Maybe it was a reach relative to the different rankings out there in the media, or what you thought, or even what I thought, but I really think the team thought it was BPA or had him very high on their board.

Looking back was it our biggest need? no

You reach when need is involved.

[CRA]

I wouldn't like it.  I think we should draft with need in mind....but not reach because we want to fill X spot.  That seems too early for the BC kid.  I don't think he has a very high NFL ceiling. 

still a lot to play out.  All things relatively even, I want us to go OL DL or S with the first pick.  If another position clearly is graded higher than BPA. 

[panthers55]

11 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

BPA is what got us Butler, not reaching.  

Maybe it was a reach relative to the different rankings out there in the media, or what you thought, or even what I thought, but I really think the team thought it was BPA or had him very high on their board.

Looking back was it our biggest need? no

You reach when need is involved.

I know Gettleman thought he was BPA at 30  but others thought he was a second rounder because he was raw and his technique was  poor and he came from Louisiana Tech. His competition was not great. You reach when you pick someone above where you should have picked when you misjudge the talent they have.  But you are right if you need a player at a position and pick the best of the rest you can reach as well.

[SOJA]

Not at all, I like the guy from the limited time I've watched him. 

I won't be disappointed with any O line or D line pick in the first, second or third round. We need help everywhere 

[AU-panther]

1 hour ago, panthers55 said:

I know Gettleman thought he was BPA at 30  but others thought he was a second rounder because he was raw and his technique was  poor and he came from Louisiana Tech. His competition was not great. You reach when you pick someone above where you should have picked when you misjudge the talent they have.  But you are right if you need a player at a position and pick the best of the rest you can reach as well.

Here again it was a reach to you but not them.    What you are describing is a misevaluation.  A reach is whey you draft a player higher than their grade would indicate because of a need.

Everyone would agree DT wasn't one of our more pressing needs at the time.  I think DG even said something to the same effect.  Nobody would ever reach for something that wasn't a need.  If anything the pick was the exact opposite of a reach.  He really thought he was BPA or very close to it.

I do agree it was a reach to you, and to me.  I'm pretty sure we both thought he was a second rounder.  Also most of the media list and mocks had him lower.  If he would have reached for need he might have picked someone like Xavien Howard(CB).

 

 

[Icege]

If the top 10 pass rushers are off the board (Bosa, Williams, Lawrence, Wilkins, Oliver, Ferrell, Gary, Allen, Sweat, Simmons) I'd prefer him over Polite.

[RumHam]

9 hours ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

We honestly screwed up SOOOO bad winning that last game.  The team has some pretty glaring holes and a top 10 pick could provide serious relief.  A mid first rounder can be hit or miss, although I will say Hurney has been great with his first rounders.

All that being said, I think we need to focus on the o-line.  The left tackle position can't continue to be a revolving door.  

You never know who's going to do what. You just hope for an impact player if you're picking within the first 25 picks.

[ncfan]

3 hours ago, AU-panther said:

BPA is what got us Butler, not reaching.  

Maybe it was a reach relative to the different rankings out there in the media, or what you thought, or even what I thought, but I really think the team thought it was BPA or had him very high on their board.

Looking back was it our biggest need? no

You reach when need is involved.

Actually False

 

 

Butler was lower than guy like Ogbah, Hunter Henry, etc.

We didnt have KK locked up and Gettleman wanted a backup just incase.

 

 

That whole entire draft was one big reach.  

We went and grabbed a guy incase KK was gone after that season.  And reached for CBs with the loss of Norman.

 

 

Im still convinced we had our eyes set on the CB out of Houston that the Bengals drafted in the 1st.  To draft as a Normans replacement.

When they drafted him, Gettleman panicked and grabbed Butler.  And everything began to crumble