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Panthers sign Eric Reid to 3-year contract


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32 minutes ago, WarPanthers89 said:

I can, and I did because that’s my opinion. It is great for reasons other than money, in addition to the fact that we have finally locked down a young talented safety in his prime who has already produced compared to someone such as Matt Kalil. I am tired of 30 year old + one year FA signings at safety. You can’t rain on my parade. 

Correct. You are allowed to give your uninformed opinion as much as you like.

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Just now, stbugs said:

Is he really one of the better safeties? PFF ranked him #55. I looked at the salary list and I certainly wouldn’t rank him close to top 10 and he’s not exactly in a great bargaining position. Unless Tepper got a guarantee of a SB from Goodell for messing up Reid’s lawsuit, this deal isn’t reasonable. Mathieu, one of the top safeties only got a $7m deal. Boston had a better 2017 than Reid had a 2018 and Boston got $1.5m. Reid got just over $1m last year from us. It was definitely an overpay and I wish we just got the cahones to trade up from Gaulden for Justin Reid. Younger and way cheaper and would have only taken one of our two 3rds this year.

Using last year's salaries is using an anomaly to justify the future. Mathieu only signed a 1 year deal and will be looking for more. Let's see what he signs for this season then we can talk about Reid's contract.

Secondly he started 4 weeks into the season and had no practice with this defense. He improved as the year progressed and should be able to pick up where he left off. Third his natural position to me is strong safety not free safety. Given all of that, his PFF grade doesn't reflect his value to us.  Given we wanted to sign him early you may pay market price so he may not be a bargain but until you see the rest of the market to say he was an overpay is surely premature at best.

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'18: 73 tackles, 5 passes defected, 1 interception, 1 sack

Not bad for a guy who hadn't practiced or played a game since end of '17 season. No OTAs, training camp, no 1st three games of '18 season, nada.

Out of shape & still played like an average NFL veteran. Improved on 2nd half of the season & much more under Ron's playcalling.

Imagine what he can do now that he's got all offseason to train & prepare. Still only 7-8 Mil a year.

Very smart signing IMO. Draft S Deionte Thompson from Alabama & we'll become the new Legion of BOOM

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It's only 10 mill guaranteed. If he sucks beyond next year we could cut him and not get killed for it like we usually do. He could end up being really good and fill the alley or be a dime linebacker type guy in this new hybrid D. I'm just happy we are addressing the position with someone that isn't collecting old age pension for a change. 

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9 minutes ago, Riv said:

you mean Reid is going to lie some more?

Some Panthers fan you are...

I like the move as long as it wasn't at a premium and I doubt it was. Reid wasn't a pro bowler but he patched a hole on defense that was killing us. One less position for us to worry about for the next few years.

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Just now, RumHam said:

Here's the real question. Do you trust Ron/Hurney to actually address the FS position, or do you think we'll stick him there and plug in Gaulden or Searcy, even though if you cough on Searcy he gets a concussion. I kind of think the latter. 

After last year's draft, I feel less concerned about wasted picks. I'm still not sure what the hell they drafted Gaulden for, but maybe there's more there than we know. One miss, with hits in the first, second and fourth is a pretty good draft to me. Having Fewell in charge of the secondary could be huge, especially for young guys like Gaulden who they didn't really seem to know how to use last year. I really want Rapp in the 2nd, but I know we have a few bigger needs at the moment. 

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1 minute ago, KSpan said:

To me, he did pretty well when playing more of an SS type look and was more exposed in FS situations, which makes perfect sense given his skillset. The team needs to get back to a 2013-type defense with more solid safety roles a la Quintin Mikell hanging out down low and Mike Mithcell playing deep.

I just don't believe that the SS position is nearly as important as it was in previous era's.

I'll wait to say much about this until I can see the structure.

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