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Mr. Scot

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Mr. Scot

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David Tepper recently admitted that it might take a period of losing in order to get the team where he wanted it to be.

The question: How long?

How long would you be able to put up with the growing pains that it might take to build a perennial contender?

At what point might you start to lose faith in Tepper's ownership? And if you did, what would that mean?  What would you do?

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t96 Grand Master

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I don’t believe in that notion at all. You don’t have to completely suck to get good, especially when we already have many solid pieces already in place. Bring in a new coaching staff and GM who can get the job done from day one.

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Excuses aren't going to fly. Panthers haven't exactly been stellar as of late, and still no back to back winning seasons. Someone mentioned recently the Falcons took like 40 years to notch consecutive winning seasons. Hey if we suck it happens, but don't start that new stadium poo on top of it all if such is the case. Especially after giving Rivera another year already knowing his overall body of work as a head coach. None of this was an unknown. Now look where we are. Can't repeat that mistake again. Whatever happens from here with changes we really have to knock it out of the park overall to avoid slipping down into the cellar for an extended period of time. Tepper's initial goodwill he has received from the fans is fading fast. Marketing ploys to increase his popularity aren't going to cut it as a substitute for winning.

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5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

David Tepper recently admitted that it might take a period of losing in order to get the team where he wanted it to be.

The question: How long?

How long would you be able to put up with the growing pains that it might take to build a perennial contender?

If that's the case, it is very unfortunate for a couple of reasons.  For starters, that sounds like he's planning on retaining Hurn-Ron at one more year despite the season spiraling out of control.  Secondly, it sounds like he's admitting that creating a consistent winner in the NFL is a much taller order than he had hoped.  Coming from a club like the Steelers, consistently good teams were the norm, but that's the exception, not the rule.  Aside from the Steelers and a select few other clubs, being a consistent winner is a much steeper hill to climb than one would think.

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Idunno, we already have some pieces in place. Even still, if we go to a new coach and gm... not to mention ALL new coaches and coordinators.. at minimum your looking at 2 years to get scheme comfortable. 

Not to mention the above is assuming we have a franchise QB in place. In a perfect world, with Cam, I'd say 1-2 years. 

If I'm rolling the dice on FA QB's and rookie qbs... that timeline could very easily move from 1-2 years to 3-4 years. And that's if we NAIL the pick....

Could be 6-7 (i.e we were to draft a QB and he turned out like Winston, Mariota, Trusbisky, Dalton, etc) 

Roll of the die. 

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1 minute ago, 45catfan said:

If that's the case, it is very unfortunate for a couple of reasons.  For starters, that sounds like he's planning on retaining Hurn-Ron at one more year despite the season spiraling out of control.  Secondly, it sounds like he's admitting that creating a consistent winner in the NFL is a much taller order than he had hoped.  Coming from a club like the Steelers, consistently good teams were the norm, but that's the exception, not the rule.  Aside from the Steelers and a select few other clubs, being a consistent winner is a much steeper hill to climb than one would think.

Ummmmm, no.  It doesn't.

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I get that he’s trying to manage expectations. But realistically, it doesn’t have to take that long. There are examples of teams getting things stabilized right out of the box. It really comes down to who he hires, if anybody. There’s gonna have to be one hell of a miraculous run for Ron and Marty to stay around, IMO. 

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12 minutes ago, t96 said:

I don’t believe in that notion at all. You don’t have to completely suck to get good, especially when we already have many solid pieces already in place. Bring in a new coaching staff and GM who can get the job done from day one.

This. Too much parity and too much talent in the draft. A good coaching staff and GM should be able to work with any talent level in the NFL.

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1 minute ago, 45catfan said:

If that's the case, it is very unfortunate for a couple of reasons.  For starters, that sounds like he's planning on retaining Hurn-Ron at one more year despite the season spiraling out of control.  Secondly, it sounds like he's admitting that creating a consistent winner in the NFL is a much taller order than he had hoped.  Coming from a club like the Steelers, consistently good teams were the norm, but that's the exception, not the rule.  Aside from the Steelers and a select few other clubs, being a consistent winner is a much steeper hill to climb than one would think.

I'm trying to think of perennial contenders before the last couple of years. (excludes Saints and Chiefs)

All I can see are,  Steelers, Patriots, (maybe Vikings), and Green Bay. Possibly the old Ravens, and Lions. I don't think its as common as one would think. 

 

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