Kyle Allen is dead last in PFF's QB Rankings

[Fox007]

What is our OL rankings?

Grier nor anyone will do anything with this line so the QB talk is irrelevant. Rivera + this OL got Cam tore up so it's no surprise everyone else fails too. Allen will be a backup and we will keep Cam or get an upgrade regardless.

The Jets also have a poo OL for that derpy Sam Darnold discussion. No one looks good(or healthy) when playing with poo stains at OL.

[DubE_4MR]

PFF Ranks Cam in the mid to low 20s  - "PFF is a joke. Screw PFF"

 

PFF Ranks Kyle Allen at 30 - "See, even PFF says he's trash"

 

 

[top dawg]

18 hours ago, mav1234 said:

He is a decent backup, and probably the cheapest player on the team - I would be surprised if he wasn't on the team next year.

But hopefully he won't be starting.

You could be right. It all depends on the philosophy of the new HC. Me? I would actually like a backup that can win games when it matters. I've said it before: We won games this season despite Kyle Allen, not because of him. I wish we won because of him, but that's not the case. 

As for him being cheap, we got what we paid for, & I don't see how that's just not apparent being his penchant for turnovers.

And Igo can say what he wants, but Allen should have been a lot further along than to keep lacking pocket awareness & frankly throwing picks that he should've seen coming. Plus, it's not like he's particularly that accurate. I hope we get an upgrade. 

[KaseKlosed]

Without Cam these will be the QBs we will be scouting. We will have another 5 years of trying to land a franchise guy. Something only Cam earned in panther QB history.  

[My Goodness My Guinness]

8 hours ago, uncfan888 said:

Or maybe that's just what he is. Good sometimes and bad others. Inconsistent 

That's a possibility for sure, there are a lot of QBs like that (Winston, Fitzmagic, Foles all come to mind.) 

He's definitely been Jackal and Hyde, which I think has really come down to his progressions and poor decision making in the red zone. He's arguable the most raw qb in the league given his college playing experience. 

[RumHam]

23 hours ago, PantherPhann89 said:

We saw our 3rd round pick in Preseason....

Because thats clearly enough time to evaluate in which also he still played better than allen. Maybe if he had time with the starters

[PantherPhann89]

4 minutes ago, RumHam said:

Because thats clearly enough time to evaluate in which also he still played better than allen. Maybe if he had time with the starters

      He didn't play better than Allen                       

                           Bears                                                   Bills                                                    Patriots                                               Steelers

            Att   Cmp   Yds   TD  Int   Rt            Att   Cmp   Yds   TD   Int   Rt          Att   Cmp    Yds   TD   Int   Rt           Att   Cmp    Yds   TD   Int   Rt           AVG

Allen   11     7         76      0    0    83.9        11    4         32      0     0     44.9       6      3          16      0      0   56.2         6      4          41      0    0     86.1         67.8

Grier    16     9        77       1   1    63.8         19    10      75      0     1     40.5       8      4           44     0     0    66.7         18    11       189    1     1     92.1        65.8

Heinicke                                                         12     8       78       1     0   112.5                                                                    10    7         89       2     1    97.5

 

[mav1234]

1 hour ago, top dawg said:

You could be right. It all depends on the philosophy of the new HC. Me? I would actually like a backup that can win games when it matters. I've said it before: We won games this season despite Kyle Allen, not because of him. I wish we won because of him, but that's not the case. 

As for him being cheap, we got what we paid for, & I don't see how that's just not apparent being his penchant for turnovers.

If you want a QB that can come in and win you multiple games over a long stretch, you are basically wanting a st starting QB as a backup... you have to gamble and get lucky for that... or spend quite a bit of money... Bridgewater is a good example of such a QB, as, apparently, is Tannehill.  But what would you have thought of a Tannehill acquisition in the offseason?  There are plenty of fans here that 100% would have revolted at how dumb it would have been.  the reason guys are backups is either: 1) they are young and developing, 2) they can't cut it as a starter, and don't win games when it matters.

Allen's turnovers are pretty much typical for such a young QB... Cam's first season starting he threw a higher percentage of INTs and had 5 fumbles (and he had 10 his second year too... so fumbles are something Cam struggled with early too).  Allen's current rate of INTs is the exact same as Cam's career rate, and nobody considers Cam to be particularly turnover prone.  But Allen is hugely inconsistent and not someone I want to build around.  My problem with Allen is much less turnovers and more more inability to be consistent in keeping the offense moving.  As we have had to lean on him more, he has struggled with consistency more.

His cost is why I think he'll be on the team next year, but that might not be the case, especially if we end up in a weird situation where we draft a QB very early but also keep Cam.  I don't think that will happen but at this point...

[Moo Daeng]

Allen's year is basically Newton's career in terms of passing stats.  We'd want to do better than both of them.

 

[firefox1234]

On 12/7/2019 at 2:18 AM, Moo Daeng said:

Allen's year is basically Newton's career in terms of passing stats.  We'd want to do better than both of them.

 

Quite misleading since Allen has played much fewer games, oh he just threw another pick as I typed this.

[therealmjl]

On 12/7/2019 at 2:18 AM, Moo Daeng said:

Allen's year is basically Newton's career in terms of passing stats.  We'd want to do better than both of them.

 

omg this is one of the dumbest things i've ever seen posted

[AggieLean]

On 12/7/2019 at 2:18 AM, Moo Daeng said:

Allen's year is basically Newton's career in terms of passing stats.  We'd want to do better than both of them.

 

Nah.

Youve been wrong all season on this.

[Borat]

On 12/7/2019 at 2:18 AM, Moo Daeng said:

Allen's year is basically Newton's career in terms of passing stats.  We'd want to do better than both of them.

 

Cam is one of the best two or three rushing QBs of all time (and the only one of that group who was able to sustain reasonable success / health). Agreed that he's not an All-Pro passer on a standalone basis, but ignoring that second part of his game is asinine (especially when it hides Allen's fumble-itis). 

[uncfan888]

3 minutes ago, AggieLean said:

Nah.

Youve been wrong all season on this.

He has a bad habit of refusing to admit when he's wrong