does anyone here trust marty hurney with the rebuild

[Navy_football]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You can compensate for low cap space if you draft well.

Or you can draft Jimmy Clausen, Armanti Edwards, Joe Adams and Amini Silatolu.

The biggest issue I have with Hurney is his disregard for athletic measurables. No other sport relies on pure athleticism as much as football players - which is why most players look like body builders. But Marty will be like, oh a running back that runs a 4.8 forty, or a DB that runs a 4.7? Oh I just have a feeling about that guy. Let's get him in the 3rd round. 

[Rags]

I really don't think Hurney makes it too far past the draft tbh, don't expect him to be here next season either.

But even if he does. Eh? He's made good moves and bad, I don't particularly think any of the last two season's faults were majorly on him. Ron didn't value the o-line as much as Fox did (Hurney drafted a lot of OL under Fox) and that's probably more on him than Marty. I'm still iffy on him on the finical side, and he's never really been great at bringing in FA talent, but he's a solid college evaluator.  

[Mvp2014]

fug no he is going to be in scoutng dept

[Yaboychris28]

Short answer: Hells no

[Raleigh PF]

If Hurney was to reconstruct the Panthers on his own, then yes, I would be worried, but this isn't the same Panthers ownership or leadership from before. Tepper has to approve contracts and I feel pretty confident there is going to be input from several sources (Tepper, Ruhle, scouts, asst GM, etc.) before moves are made. 

It bothered me to no end that Shaq was signed to an extension. Now, it appears there may have been some inkling that Luke was considering retirement, leading to the extension. I doubt that Luke just woke up and said, "that's it". I'm sure there has been an ongoing discussion that probably began not long after Rivera was fired. 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, teeray said:

Everyone has busts. Y'all act like being a good drafter means you bat 1000.  Armanti Edwards and Everett Brown stand out because we moved up to get them, and I understand that, but the main core of our 15-1 team was Hurney guys

But the teams Hurney built around that core couldn't even reach 500, and if you wanna go that route don't forget that Marty's Super Bowl team had a pretty significant imprint from George Seifert.Throw in that even after someone came in and fixed his mess and Richardson handed a playoff worthy team back to him, it was one of the worst teams in the league within just two years of Hurney control.

An NFL GM's job isn't to get two, three or even ten great players. It's to build a team, a full roster of 53 plus that are capable of winning a championship. Marty's had fourteen chances to do that and only came close three times, two of which were with a Seifert influenced roster. And if you look at how the team has trended, it's pretty clear that the longer Marty is in charge, the worse the team gets.

He's not good enough. Never was. Never will be.

[Black&BlueBubba]

If we are going to do a full reboot.  Full reboot Hurney’s ass out the door. 
 

At least relegate him to another role. 

[mc52beast]

9 hours ago, GoPanthers123 said:

I trust him, spotting new talent is his thing.  Deciding whether or not to extend vets should be someone else.

Spotting first round talent is his thing, he’s trash after that.

[Icege]

Do I trust him to contribute to it in some capacity? Absolutely. Do I trust him to lead it? No.

This is a transitional phase for the team right now and it'll go thru similar restructuring that the business side underwent when Tepper got here. The guts are going to be ripped out and replaced with the parts that Tepper believes best aligns with his vision and that has been done with the new coaching hires. The roster churn will be an ongoing process as the new coaching staff is able to bring in guys that fit what they're ultimately trying to do. Hurney being present doesn't concern me nearly as much knowing that others are being brought in to takeover some of his responsibilities.

I still question the college scouting praise... but maybe Hurney is malleable enough to understand and execute what he is capable of in his new role.

[thefuzz]

If Marty couldn't figure out how to build a winning team around a young, cheap, healthy Cam Newton, I certainly don't think that he can do it without a game changer on the roster at that position.

So, no, I don't trust Marty with a rebuild, but I also wouldn't trust him with my coffee order, and I like it black.

 

[Ship]

Disingenuous to cry for all the players whose talent wasn’t maximized here by coaches then talk bad about the guy who drafted and traded for them. Hurney should continue to stock the cupboard with first round talent. Working with the new coaches and science/tech that Tepper provides will hopefully improve the rest of the draft. Also have to think if our coaches are as good as we think they’ll be that we can get more out of the later rounded players.

[thefuzz]

33 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

But the teams Hurney built around that core couldn't even reach 500, and if you wanna go that route don't forget that Marty's Super Bowl team had a pretty significant imprint from George Seifert.Throw in that even after someone came in and fixed his mess and Richardson handed a playoff worthy team back to him, it was one of the worst teams in the league within just two years of Hurney control.

An NFL GM's job isn't to get two, three or even ten great players. It's to build a team, a full roster of 53 plus that are capable of winning a championship. Marty's had fourteen chances to do that and only came close three times, two of which were with a Seifert influenced roster. And if you look at how the team has trended, it's pretty clear that the longer Marty is in charge, the worse the team gets.

He's not good enough. Never was. Never will be.

All true.

 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Ship said:

Disingenuous to cry for all the players whose talent wasn’t maximized here by coaches then talk bad about the guy who drafted and traded for them. Hurney should continue to stock the cupboard with first round talent. Working with the new coaches and science/tech that Tepper provides will hopefully improve the rest of the draft. Also have to think if our coaches are as good as we think they’ll be that we can get more out of the later rounded players.

Those coaches you're talking about that didn't maximize the players...

Who hired them?

[Ship]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Those coaches you're talking about that didn't maximize the players...

Who hired them?

I’m not arguing that. All the other threads about Luke talk about Rivera’s failures. I’m saying it’s ridiculous to say we had so much talent (brought in by Marty) then come here and say he can’t find talent. It’s also not relevant whether Marty hired Rivera. JR was the owner and wanted the family/culture/defensive football head coach and Marty hired him. Tepper wants young offense and process oriented coaches. Marty helped pick Rhule but wasn’t initially sold on him. Marty does what he’s told. He’s not a mastermind. And he didn’t have final say on the head coach we hired. But he does a good job giving people what they want. He’s brought in all the major talent on our team for basically the entire existence. I do trust him to continue to do so. Rhule and his coaches will have to provide the wins on the field.