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Was Michael Oher's injury the worst thing to happen to this team in the last decade?

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4 minutes ago, Toomers said:

 Cams shoulder got hurt in 2016 against SD. That should have been his last play of year. The season was basically done as far as making the playoffs. It hasn’t been close to 100% since for many reasons and decisions. 
 

  They are two separate things to me. The only way Oher keeps Cam away from getting injured back then was if he fell down and tripped him while chasing an INT return. Nothing good has  happened when Cam is near the pylon. His arm was about 75-80% BEFORE Watt took another 25-30% in one shot. 
 

Ohers absence led to horrible LT play in 2016. Matt Kalil(who is one of the worst decisions any front office ever made) Chris Clark, who was at home when the Panthers called him to start for them. Then they trade up for Little which is sad. Then put D. Williams in there. Oh dear God. Which forced acquiring a vet on a one year deal so Teddy could live. 
 

  Any other happenings even compare with the destruction Of either of these. 

I tend to be of the opinion that if the TJ Watt play doesn't happen, then the shoulder injury doesn't become such a long term thing. But in bringing this up you do introduce another factor. Regardless of what you believe about the two plays or whether Oher's presence of absence affected either, the discussion points inevitably back to FO and coaching decisions that were fundamentally flawed. In football, players are going to get hurt. Coaching staffs must adjust to these and other realities in real time. Rivera never did. GM's must be able to maintain a roster to an acceptable level even when the LT goes down to concussion, because football. Regardless of anything with Oher's injury and whether it impacted Newton and thus the entire franchise, the one thing that is clear is systemic failures of coaching and roster management were non insignificant factors.

Turn the problem on it's head. If Hurney competently replaces an injured LT, then Oher's concussion doesn't risk becoming a thing we're debating years later as potentially a negatively defining moment in the franchise's history. Instead we got Clark, Remmers, and Matt Kalil paid an awful lot of money to attempt to do whatever it is that he does.

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3 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

I tend to be of the opinion that if the TJ Watt play doesn't happen, then the shoulder injury doesn't become such a long term thing. But in bringing this up you do introduce another factor. Regardless of what you believe about the two plays or whether Oher's presence of absence affected either, the discussion points inevitably back to FO and coaching decisions that were fundamentally flawed. In football, players are going to get hurt. Coaching staffs must adjust to these and other realities in real time. Rivera never did. GM's must be able to maintain a roster to an acceptable level even when the LT goes down to concussion, because football. Regardless of anything with Oher's injury and whether it impacted Newton and thus the entire franchise, the one thing that is clear is systemic failures of coaching and roster management were non insignificant factors.

Turn the problem on it's head. If Hurney competently replaces an injured LT, then Oher's concussion doesn't risk becoming a thing we're debating years later as potentially a negatively defining moment in the franchise's history. Instead we got Clark, Remmers, and Matt Kalil paid an awful lot of money to attempt to do whatever it is that he does.

M Khalil was paid because his brother gave Hurney a blowey to think we could have had Whitworth for a fraction of what we are still PAYING HIM.

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12 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

I tend to be of the opinion that if the TJ Watt play doesn't happen, then the shoulder injury doesn't become such a long term thing. But in bringing this up you do introduce another factor. Regardless of what you believe about the two plays or whether Oher's presence of absence affected either, the discussion points inevitably back to FO and coaching decisions that were fundamentally flawed. In football, players are going to get hurt. Coaching staffs must adjust to these and other realities in real time. Rivera never did. GM's must be able to maintain a roster to an acceptable level even when the LT goes down to concussion, because football. Regardless of anything with Oher's injury and whether it impacted Newton and thus the entire franchise, the one thing that is clear is systemic failures of coaching and roster management were non insignificant factors.

Turn the problem on it's head. If Hurney competently replaces an injured LT, then Oher's concussion doesn't risk becoming a thing we're debating years later as potentially a negatively defining moment in the franchise's history. Instead we got Clark, Remmers, and Matt Kalil paid an awful lot of money to attempt to do whatever it is that he does.

That’s pretty much the point. Of course the following moves were horrible. No excuse.But they were born from desperation. All panic moves that were easy to see were senseless when they were made. 
 

  They would have had at least a year to develop a replacement, or re-sign Oher is he continued playing solid. Then Ohers concussions became career ending. And they had no one at the 2nd hardest position to fill in the NFL. Luckily, there were options. And DG chose the absolute worst option imaginable. 
 

     

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10 minutes ago, Icege said:

Makes you wonder how 2016 would have gone had we not lost Oher to start the season and then struggled to find some type of consistency on the OL.

  It may have been the first one. But there were plenty to follow. And Ohers injury caused multiple spots to decline. RT where Remmers was decent to Williams and Trai Turner(that was ugly) Then I think Chris Scott at G for TT. Ryan K missed half the year after All Pro in 2015. I think Norwell is the only one that was healthy most of season. 
 

   Add Luke, Shaq, Bradberry, Worley, missing 3-6 games  and a couple players on their last leg or showing decline and the result should be expected. Especially with a team run by Rivera. He expects to run and control the clock to protect the defense. When the offense left an old and tired defense out there, we got what we got. Horrible. 
 

  Which is precisely why Cam should have had surgery at the first opportunity. What was he out there for? Behind that line? With RR discussing “mathematical possibilities”. 

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35 minutes ago, 4Corners said:

Just joking around bro. After careful consideration I do agree that the Oher injury was pretty bad just because of the stuff that happened after it. 

At the time we had no idea it would lead to DG/JR making one of the worst decisions in franchise history by signing Kalil but it was the catalyst for that decision.

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