Jump to content
  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

Inside Info: Players Love Rhule.


The Huddler

Recommended Posts

So I had my air unit leak water all over in my basement, so I had a guy come out and look at it. 

 

After he fixed the issue, on his way out I was watching the highlights to the recent Panthers loss to the Vikings. (Im so upset. Now we are in a better position to draft a franchise QB in a wonky covid season. We need to win meaningless games! I digress). He also saw all my panthers poo down in the basement. He said to me .. "SLYYYEEEEE" and shook his head. I told him "yeah man, Im a tech fan, Ive seen him choke there, and I'm seeing him choke here". He goes "AHH well it was a 57 yarder...  Actually my buddy is good friends with him, they played together at tech. I ended up playing Call of Duty with him the other week. Cool guy. I talked with him, he said that the players LOOOOVVE Matt Rhule and that he thinks hes going to attract a lot of players looking for a coach to believe in, that he's never been around a coach that gets players to buy in as much as Rhule has" ....

 

I believe it. We are building something special in Carolina. Losses suck, but the wins will come. Build that culture, build that core. Coordinators will come and go, but that guy is a leader of men and I truly believe we have the chance to be the next DYNASTY

 

 

*cool story bro*

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

13 minutes ago, The Huddler said:

So I had my air unit leak water all over in my basement, so I had a guy come out and look at it. 

 

After he fixed the issue, on his way out I was watching the highlights to the recent Panthers loss to the Vikings. (Im so upset. Now we are in a better position to draft a franchise QB in a wonky covid season. We need to win meaningless games! I digress). He also saw all my panthers poo down in the basement. He said to me .. "SLYYYEEEEE" and shook his head. I told him "yeah man, Im a tech fan, Ive seen him choke there, and I'm seeing him choke here". He goes "AHH well it was a 57 yarder...  Actually my buddy is good friends with him, they played together at tech. I ended up playing Call of Duty with him the other week. Cool guy. I talked with him, he said that the players LOOOOVVE Matt Rhule and that he thinks hes going to attract a lot of players looking for a coach to believe in, that he's never been around a coach that gets players to buy in as much as Rhule has" ....

 

I believe it. We are building something special in Carolina. Losses suck, but the wins will come. Build that culture, build that core. Coordinators will come and go, but that guy is a leader of men and I truly believe we have the chance to be the next DYNASTY

 

 

*cool story bro*

 

 

Rhule has made some rookie coaching moves and I wish they were far better at time management. This waiting to snap the ball at zero on the play clock is getting old but I do believe he has the makeup to build a very good team. There were several plays on Sunday I thought we were going to get a delay of game penalty. 

This team should not have been competitive at all especially with the loss of CMC for most of the season. The only explanation is that Rhule has the locker room and those guys playing well above what our talent level says we should. 

I am in 100% agreement that in the next couple of years you are going to see the Panther's continually fighting for the NFCS title.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Believe it or not, the whole waiting to snap the ball has thought behind it.  Early in the season, we were not doing this.  In fact, I remember a handful of posts here commenting on it.  However, what was grossly obvious early on is that we were getting KILLED in time of possession.  Our defense was spending far too much time on the field, and our defense isn't super talented.

What I've noticed as the season has progressed is that we are getting slower to snap the ball, but our ToP is greatly increasing.  I think this is our coaching making an adjustment to try to protect our rather fragile defense.  Certainly there are a few instances where it's clearly a  mistake, however the overall trend I believe is intentional and fit to a purpose.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I would believe it.

 However the only thing I question is that the stars of the team are sharing their opinions with the kicker. I have no doubt slye believes that. But does he actually have insight into Moore, moton, Chinn etc. thought process and feelings?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

45 minutes ago, BrianS said:

Believe it or not, the whole waiting to snap the ball has thought behind it.  Early in the season, we were not doing this.  In fact, I remember a handful of posts here commenting on it.  However, what was grossly obvious early on is that we were getting KILLED in time of possession.  Our defense was spending far too much time on the field, and our defense isn't super talented.

What I've noticed as the season has progressed is that we are getting slower to snap the ball, but our ToP is greatly increasing.  I think this is our coaching making an adjustment to try to protect our rather fragile defense.  Certainly there are a few instances where it's clearly a  mistake, however the overall trend I believe is intentional and fit to a purpose.

Agree with this completely. Was so frustrating the last few years getting to the line with 5 seconds remaining, with no time to make adjustments and frequently having to call unnecessary timeouts. It also almost completely removed the ability to catch defences offside, allowing them tee off perfectly as the ball is snapped.

At the start of this season, getting to the line earlier was one of the most improved aspects of the offense. Allowing Teddy to read the defence, use hard counts etc. For me, this was one of the most encouraging signs about our new coaching staff. Taking the clock down to zero started to stand out in the Kansas City game. Keeping the KC offense off the field is almost the only way you can beat them (and it almost worked). The coaching staff clearly identified this as a good way of prolonging drives and protecting the defence. I'm hoping that as the defence improves, confidence in their ability to get off the field will improve and we will revert back to the clock management from earlier in the season.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I also believe Rhule is going to turn this franchise around. He's learning of how it goes in the NFL too. Charlotte as a city attracts a lot of players who retire to hear and like to raise their families here. All of that will attract better players. I can only image what 2021 will bring with a off-season, training camp, preseason, some draft picks and few FA signings. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, BrianS said:

Believe it or not, the whole waiting to snap the ball has thought behind it.  Early in the season, we were not doing this.  In fact, I remember a handful of posts here commenting on it.  However, what was grossly obvious early on is that we were getting KILLED in time of possession.  Our defense was spending far too much time on the field, and our defense isn't super talented.

What I've noticed as the season has progressed is that we are getting slower to snap the ball, but our ToP is greatly increasing.  I think this is our coaching making an adjustment to try to protect our rather fragile defense.  Certainly there are a few instances where it's clearly a  mistake, however the overall trend I believe is intentional and fit to a purpose.

This is really insightful. I hadn't thought of that being the reasoning behind it. It does make sense and the evidence is there for sure.  Thanks for  putting that idea out into the discussion!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Players loved Rivera too. I don’t think this matters that much because I bet a lot of players like their coach. Yea there’s a few notable asshole coaches out there but what really matters is winning. I don’t want a lovable loser.

That said, Rhule has the team playing hard every game and that’s great. Hopefully with more talent the Panthers can start winning again.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.


  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • I can't wait to go through this analysis 
    • What's more likely? An entire competant NFL front office (as many here suggest Morgan runs) has watched Bryce struggle week in and week out to perform at the bare minimum of NFL QBs for 3 years and has decided that's the future of this organization, OR our owner who has proven repeatedly he can't keep his nose out of team decision making has declared Bryce is our QB until he decides otherwise, especially given he's the one that drafted him in the first place? 
    • It is time to take a look at the defense.  Without further ado do.... Edge (OLB):  I think we overpaid for Jaelan Phillips, but he is constant pressure with 73 pressures in 2025, ranking 9th in the NFL.  In all, he was the 20th (of 111) rated pass rushing edge in 2025 according to PFF, putting him in the top 20% in the nfl.  With a pair of solid ILBs beside him and if we can get Wharton going, I think the sum of the parts will make him better than he was in Philly.  Furthermore, with second-year pro Princely Umanmielen behind him, I expect him to grow with the tutoring and competition. On the other side, the duo of Nick Scourton and Patrick Jones II is strong, in my view.  Scourton generated 34 total pressures as a pass rusher. That total included 8 sacks, 23 hurries, 3 hits. Against the run, he recorded 28 solo tackles. For a rookie, second round, edge, that is great.  He also forced 1 fumble on the season. Jones was decent in 2025 in just 131 snaps, but he is solid veteran depth.   We seem to lack the elite pass rusher, but this rotational unit will be a big upgrade over last season.  Expect Scourton and Princely to show improvement. While it is unlikely that we add more to edge this draft, you can never have too many pass rushers (well, you can--two sophomores and two veterans is a good mix). Would the Panthers take an edge if one was sitting there? Absolutely. Defensive End:  Derrick Brown is a stud.  I did not notice how dominant he became as a pass rusher.  His PFF pass-rush grade of 72.0 ranked 23rd among 134 qualified interior defensive linemans. His run-defense grade of 66.3 ranked 22nd at the position. He generated 35 total pressures as a pass rusher. That total included 6 sacks, 23 hurries, 6 hits. On the other side:  What the hell?  Tershawn Wharton earned a 40.8 overall PFF defensive grade in the 2025 season, 127th among 134 qualified interior defensive linemans. His PFF pass-rush grade of 57.0 ranked 95th among 134 qualified interior defensive linemen. His run-defense grade of 34.8 ranked 125th at the position. However, Wharton needs to be situational and we really need a few DEs who can plug and pressure.  LaBryan Ray is an interior defensive lineman for the Carolina Panthers who earned a 45.7 overall PFF defensive grade in the 2025 season.  You cannot tell me that we are not going to add a DE.  In my view, this is a HUGE need that we have not adequately addressed.  There were only 3 DEs in the NFL who played more snaps that Derrick Brown.  We have to give him more blows during the game.  So After Brown, we have 2 other players who need to improve a lot to reach mediocre. Nose Tackle:  Of course, a NT might move out some to help stuff the run at DE opposite Brown, and stats do not always reflect on a NT's actual value.  Bobby Brown III earned a 54.1 overall PFF defensive grade in the 2025 season, 80th among 134 qualified interior defensive linemen.  His PFF pass-rush grade of 51.1 ranked 126th among 134 qualified interior defensive linemans. His run-defense grade of 57.8 ranked 51st at the position.   Behind him, Cam'Ron Jackson is an  earned a 45.5 overall PFF defensive grade in the 2025 season.   The defensive line is weak, based on 2025 performance rankings in PFF.  After DBrown, they pretty much suck.  These are the guys our ILBs will be counting on. Inside Linebacker:  Devin Lloyd earned a 89.1 overall PFF defensive grade in the 2025 season, 3rd among 88 qualified linebackers. His PFF coverage grade of 81.1 ranked 3rd among 88 qualified linebackers. His run-defense grade of 83.2 ranked 11th at the position. His pass-rush grade of 82.2 ranked 5th among qualified linebackers.  He's good.  At the moment, beside him is Trevin Wallace  who earned a 55.9 overall PFF defensive grade in the 2025 season, 57th among 88 qualified linebackers. His PFF coverage grade of 64.5 ranked 25th among 88 qualified linebackers. His run-defense grade of 42.3 ranked 85th at the position. His pass-rush grade of 64.2 ranked 45th among qualified linebackers.  Wallace was best as a coverage LB, and based on my memory, I am not sure he was in the top third, but if PFF says so...however, he was nearly last vs. the run.  We need better to play beside Lloyd.  Bam Morris-Scott earned a 37.6 overall PFF defensive grade. To put that in perspective, I was rated by PFF at 32.3 on my couch.   Cherilus Claudin is the third best ILB on the roster right now. He earned a 59.2 overall PFF defensive grade in just over 200 snaps.  Having lost Rozeboom, the Panthers are very thin behind Lloyd.  Look for a starting-caliber ILB in the draft.  Wallace is not the guy, but he is decent depth. Nickel CB:  Chau Smith-Wade  earned a 57.0 overall PFF defensive grade in the 2025 season, 79th among 114 qualified cornerbacks. His PFF coverage grade of 57.2 ranked 79th among 114 qualified cornerbacks. His run-defense grade of 55.4 ranked 77th at the position.  For a nickel, he played a lot--garnering over 600 snaps.  Corey Thornton was a pleasant surprise, until he was injured.  However, in just 127 snaps, he was very good, earning a 68.5 overall PFF defensive grade.  I think he can play outside in a pinch, but nickel might be his gig.  I am not sold that Nickel is in good hands, but Thornton is promising.  Smith-Wade is average, and with the experience he has accumulated, we are probably not prioritizing Nickel, but there are some good nickels in the draft. Cornerback:  Michael Jackson should have been in the pro bowl.  He earned a 79.1 overall PFF defensive grade in the 2025 season, 4th among 114 qualified cornerbacks. His PFF coverage grade of 80.9 ranked 3rd among 114 qualified cornerbacks. His run-defense grade of 67.2 ranked 36th at the position. He recorded 4 interceptions on the season. Jackson broke up 9 passes in coverage. He allowed a 72.9 passer rating when targeted by opposing quarterbacks --SOLID!!  Our second-best CB, Jaycee Horn, was in the pro bowl.  He earned a 57.8 overall PFF defensive grade in the 2025 season, 76th among 114 qualified corner.backs. His PFF coverage grade of 61.6 ranked 61st among 114 qualified cornerbacks. His run-defense grade of 50.5 ranked 87th at the position.  He recorded 5 interceptions on the season.  Our CBs had NINE interceptions in 2025.  It is doubtful they duplicate that figure, but Jackson was our best CB.   We are thin at CB, but the two we put out there are solid.  Nickel, at this time, is "meh," but both are developing and should improve.  A great draft for Nickel.  The Panthers will add a CB somehow. Safety:  For now, Trevon Moehrig is as advertised--above average vs. the run, below average in coverage, making him average. He earned a 64.3 overall PFF defensive grade in the 2025 season, 50th among 98 qualified safeties. His PFF coverage grade of 55.3 ranked 64th among 98 qualified safeties. His run-defense grade of 73.5 ranked 37th at the position.  Lathan Ransom got some valuable experience in 2025, getting in on 330 plays or so.  He earned a 62.9 overall PFF defensive grade in the 2025 season, 56th among 98 qualified safeties.  (Average, not bad for a day 3 rookie) His PFF coverage grade of 55.8 ranked 63rd among 98 qualified safeties. His run-defense grade of 85.1 ranked 4th at the position.  A pure strong safety, if you ask me.  Nick Scott  earned a 67.8 overall PFF defensive grade in the 2025 season, 36th among 98 qualified safeties. His PFF coverage grade of 67.3 ranked 31st among 98 qualified safeties. His run-defense grade of 69.3 ranked 56th at the position.  Expect a draft pick at FS.  Demani Richardson is a safety for the Carolina Panthers who earned a 71.5 overall PFF defensive grade n 29 plays.  Nothing to see here.  Isaiah Simmons is probably more special teams than defensive player.   Overall:  We are thin on defense.  No real depth at CB, S, and DE/NT.  However, we have 5 starters who are pro bowl level players (D. Brown, Lloyd, Jackson, Horn, and Phillips--and I might throw Scourton in on that pile for the sixth potential pro bowler).  We are weak at NT, and if Wharton does not step up, DE.  Funny, I see Edge as our strength (and we really don't have a sack artist) and I love our starting CBs.  Moehrig is making too much to be average.   Expect:  In the draft, I think we have to draft a DT.  Having done this, I am not sure that we go after a S when we have such glaring needs at other positions.  We could upgrade at nickel and give the CB room more depth.  OLB?  Wallace is decent depth, and he could start in a pinch.   DE is our biggest need.  The answer could be on the roster?            
×
×
  • Create New...