If the Panthers land Stafford, it is win now, not rebuild

[Moo Daeng]

14 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

We would, and It is hardly absurd to think 4 QBs could go before us if you consider the fact that there are so many teams in need of a QB and those that do not might trade back. 

Jacksonville--Lawrence

Jets--Wilson is a reasonable projection, or a trade for a team who wants Wilson. Are they serious about staying with Darnold for another season?  If so, they could stay put and take Sewell.

Dolphins--I think they stay with Tua, but they will be approached by teams for a trade, so someone at #3 will take a QB or Sewell if the Jets don't.  However, Tua is LEFT HANDED, so is the LT that valuable if the stay with Tua? They will probably trade the pick--to a team looking for Sewell or a QB.

Falcons--I am not 100% sold on the Falcons taking a QB here--about 60% sure they will.  What rookie is going to be better than Ryan, and why waste a #4 overall to sit behind Ryan for a year or two?  You build the defense in Atlanta, and I see a top CB or pass rusher here.  Do they pass on Fields here?  I think cooler, smarter heads will prevail and they will build the defense and OL before bringing in a rookie QB.  Ryan has an expensive contract to break--so they need to think it through.  A new QB is likely to bust without a D and OL and the WR issues they might face. So they will assume #4 is a rare opportunity to take the QB of the future.  I think Fields is the pick, but do not be surprised if they do not.

Bengals--Another team that could trade back if Sewell is gone. 

Eagles--a Wild Card.  Are the committed to building around Wentz?  New coach--like Jets, Falcons, etc.  I think they are committed to Wentz / Hurts and will draft differently--they will get offers for a trade.

Detroit--I think the Lions want a #1 for Stafford so they can move up with the Jets or Dolphins to draft a QB. 

So, it is not unreasonable to see a scenario like this:

1. Jax Lawrence

2. Lions (trade with Jets) Wilson

3. Dolphins Sewell OT

4. Falcons Fields

5. Bengals Chase WR

6. Eagles Smith WR

7. Jets Lance QB

So it is not absurd--even if you only involve the teams picking in the top 7.  The top 4 QBs will draw interest from about 15 NFL teams that need a QB. 

Although historically 4 QBs have not gone nearly that high, I would not call it absurd.

I think we should sit tight and take the BPA.

absurd no, but pretty unlikely.  I can't imagine Lance going that high given his resume. 

[BurnNChinn]

6 minutes ago, TheMaulClaw said:

We gave Tampa the blueprint to deal with GB. Our defense is fine and will only get better. 

This they played really well in the second half of that game. Looked really good at the end of the year. Had a bunch out against Saints last game that don’t count 

[Snake]

1 hour ago, jfra78 said:

We basically started the off season with Moton and Paradis last year.  If we resign Moton we are in the same spot as last year

Except we will have to pay Moton a bunch more which will give us less cap to sign those players. Im guess you think we can also trade for a LT again as well? 

[Scott12345]

4 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It's not about cap space, it's about trade bait. We are holding #8 overall. Indy has #21. There's a huge gap in that value.  Detroit honestly might take #8 overall over #21 and next year's 1st from Indy. In terms of value in the draft chart they'd be roughly equal.

and just where do we get the cap space when we are paying both stafford & teddy?

we dont have the cap space for both of those guys

 

[LinvilleGorge]

8 minutes ago, Scott12345 said:

and just where do we get the cap space when we are paying both stafford & teddy?

we dont have the cap space for both of those guys

 

Teddy will only hit us for $15M as a post-June 1st cut. Stafford would hit us for $20M. 

We save $8M releasing Teddy. We'll save another $14.5M making Short a post-June 1st cut. We'll save $6M releasing Weatherly. We can free up another $5M if need be by releasing Paradis. $4M releasing Burris. $2M is we're done with Ian Thomas. 

There's plenty of fat to trim.

[BurnNChinn]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Teddy will only hit us for $15M as a post-June 1st cut. Stafford would hit us for $20M. 

We save $8M releasing Teddy. We'll save another $14.5M making Short a post-June 1st cut. We'll save $6M releasing Weatherly. We can free up another $5M if need be by releasing Paradis. $4M releasing Burris. $2M is we're done with Ian Thomas. 

There's plenty of fat to trim.

Yep my thinking!

[TheProcess]

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Teddy will only hit us for $15M as a post-June 1st cut. Stafford would hit us for $20M. 

We save $8M releasing Teddy. We'll save another $14.5M making Short a post-June 1st cut. We'll save $6M releasing Weatherly. We can free up another $5M if need be by releasing Paradis. $4M releasing Burris. $2M is we're done with Ian Thomas. 

There's plenty of fat to trim.

Yep, and I think we can save like $9 million cutting KK

[NAS]

Unless you're ready to win the SB, it makes no sense to trade for a QB that has only 4-5 good years left.  We have major holes in a  lot of areas that good coaching won't overcome.  9-7 is attainable, but it would be lunacy to trade for a veteran QB just to achieve that. 

[SpeedOFLight]

I would definitely take Stafford and we would be competing for the division. Solid QB. We can draft a QB in later rounds. I don’t get why people always think that with are guaranteed to get a franchise QB in the top 10. 

[BurnNChinn]

3 minutes ago, SpeedOFLight said:

I would definitely take Stafford and we would be competing for the division. Solid QB. We can draft a QB in later rounds. I don’t get why people always think that with are guaranteed to get a franchise QB in the top 10. 

They just think it’s always going to work out drafting a qb top 10 and most times it doesn’t work

[SpeedOFLight]

1 minute ago, BurnNChinn said:

They just think it’s always going to work out drafting a qb top 10 and most times it doesn’t work

Exactly! I wish people would look at history and see where the “top” QBs were drafted . A lot of  these names people are throwing out in the mock draft will not pan well on the nfl but what do I know 

[Growl]

9 minutes ago, SpeedOFLight said:

Exactly! I wish people would look at history and see where the “top” QBs were drafted . A lot of  these names people are throwing out in the mock draft will not pan well on the nfl but what do I know 

I think you've probably answered your own question

[Fox007]

9 hours ago, Zod said:

If the Panthers go out and get a QB the caliber of Matt Stafford they should absolutely be held to the "win now" standard and not the "rebuild" standard of 2020. 

Given the level of success the 2020 season brought in terms of rookie defensive players coupled with a second year in the new system of Rhule, Brady, and Snow on top of a full offseason and preseason... well.... 

2021 had better not be a losing season. 

At least 9-7 would be the expectation. 

 

Agree?

I actually don't think being ahead of schedule changes this at all. In business like Teppers mentality comes from it isn't and shouldn't change the other plans around that. You are always in the business of winning(making money) it's not like we were trying to go on out there and lose(see the WTF game).

We're still in rebuild mode and if we actually have a winning record which we would have had this year too with a QB as good as Stafford then that's just something this team and fanbase and organization just isn't used to and that is called competence.

[AceBoogie]

9 hours ago, Zod said:

If the Panthers go out and get a QB the caliber of Matt Stafford they should absolutely be held to the "win now" standard and not the "rebuild" standard of 2020. 

Given the level of success the 2020 season brought in terms of rookie defensive players coupled with a second year in the new system of Rhule, Brady, and Snow on top of a full offseason and preseason... well.... 

2021 had better not be a losing season. 

At least 9-7 would be the expectation. 

 

Agree?

And what does 9-7 get you? Outside of the playoffs still needing a QB. No thank you.